re: Basis for changing QB's...What makes sense?

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Lee breaks an ankle saturday vs wva.
JJ is reinstated.. ZM or JJ vs uK?

and why?

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Mett to start b/c he's been practicing and JJ hasn't.

But if JJ has a whole week of practice and we get up big in a blowout situation, he should play mopup.

The biggest reason I don't think JJ will play much this year is b/c he's been out of practice for over a month now. That's assuming JLee remains effective and healthy.

Again, I do think that teams are stacking the box reducing the effectiveness of our running game. Stud/Krags are going to have to let Lee toss it around more to help generate some big plays in the running game.

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The post histories of 3-4 of you (you know who you are) is living proof of this... you are JJ homers and you dont like Jlee.

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Here is the precise difference between you and me.

I don't dislike Lee. I like him. I hope he does well in everything he tries. I have never said one bad thing about Lee the person. I have never said anything bad about Lee the QB. I have only posted facts and compared his stats with Jefferson's stats.

However, you truly dislike Jefferson, You always have. You believe that Jefferson unfairly stole playing time from Lee. You make it personal about Jefferson.

These are not just my opinions about you. Everyone shares these opinions.

It's pathetic because all you know how to do is bash Jefferson. Even with Jefferson out of the equation, you post primarily to try to show how much better Lee is playing than Jefferson would have.

And now that Jefferson is not playing and you can't bash him, you have sunk to bashing Lee fans.

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Except for the fact that every touchdown was scored with Jefferson at QB.



You mean the one rushing TD at the beginning?

And the TD scored by Ridley because JL drove them down the field?

You are a JOKE

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Classic

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However, you truly dislike Jefferson, You always have. You believe that Jefferson unfairly stole playing time from Lee. You make it personal about Jefferson.

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this is a lie. Please refrain from saying it.
I dont like JJ as a qb.. nothing personal about it.

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It's pathetic because all you know how to do is bash Jefferson. Even with Jefferson out of the equation, you post primarily to try to show how much better Lee is playing than Jefferson would have.

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This is another lie.
Ive been far more pro Lee than I ever have antiJJ.

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nd now that Jefferson is not playing and you can't bash him, you have sunk to bashing Lee fans.

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Wtf does this even mean?
Youve really made yourself look like a moron in this thread. You truly have.

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Lee won a few games last year that JJ got credit for.

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No one gives JJ credit for the Florida or Tennessee games.

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I feel bad his time here may possibly have ended like it did- but the team has moved on with Lee, and the fan base should do the same.

If JJ is reinstated, the debate will rage, I'm sure. But for now, there is nothing to discuss.

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I don't think that you'll find that those of us accused of being JJ's chief defenders are starting these threads. You're free to search of course.

That doesn't mean that to be good fans we should sit around and refrain from giving an opinion while others spin bullshite that is oftentimes completely divorced from reality

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Classic

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Indeed.

He warms up by completely dismissing half of LSU's scoring in the game. Without Jefferson's opening touchdown, LSU loses the game.

He continues by failing to acknowledge the role of both QBs on the team. Lee is the two-minute man. Jefferson is the red zone guy. That's their roles as assigned by the coaching staff. Each successfully played their role in the second touchdown.

Then he finishes with his typical ad hominem conclusion.

It is truly a classic TheDoc post.

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Neither play should be bashed- what confuses is why some continue to bring JJ into every discussion about QBs, when he isn't at the time and may not in the future be associated with this team.

I feel bad his time here may possibly have ended like it did- but the team has moved on with Lee, and the fan base should do the same.

If JJ is reinstated, the debate will rage, I'm sure. But for now, there is nothing to discuss.

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good post.

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To suggest that it would take him a year to make up for the last three weeks seems a bit far-fetched. He's been getting first team reps all spring and fall. You think he's forgotten everything in three weeks, having missed only two games of importance.

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You completely missed my point. Plus it's been over three weeks since Jefferson has practiced. You are right that he took all of the first team reps during spring and summer. My point is he wouldn't have that luxury now. I stand beside my statement: It would take most of the rest of the season for Jefferson to get back to being game ready. He would have to do it from the third string position. How many snaps do you think the third team guy gets? And with whom? I can't imagine the scenario where we would cut Lee's practice time, or cut the practice/development time of next year's starter to accomodate someone that would probably only be ready for the last game or two of the season. It just doesn't make sense.

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For the record:

Jefferson's Three Most Recent Games
Rush: 600 yards (4.55 ypc)
Pass: 596 yards (9.46 ypa)
Total: 1,196 yards

Lee's Three Most Recent Games
Rush: 498 yards (3.80 ypc)
Pass: 444 yards (7.53 ypa)
Total: 942 yards

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According to LSUsports.net, LSU has 1,034 yards so far this season, not 942. Still not quite as many as under JJ, but not far behind either.

Also, keep in mind that JL did not play an entire half v. NWSU.

Still, there are more ways to determine offensive effectiveness than just yards. Below is a comparison of some key stats between JJ's last three games and JL's games this year:

T.O.P.
Under Lee, LSU has held the ball for 101:47. Under JJ, LSU had it for 91:02.

TURNOVERS
Under Lee, LSU has turned it over just 3 times.
Under JJ, LSU turned it over 6 times.

POINTS
This is pretty much a wash. Under Lee, 108 points. JJ 107 points.

3RD DOWN CONV
Under Lee, LSU converted 19 of 40 3rd downs.
Under JJ, LSU converted 16 of 41 3rd downs.


What these stats tell me is LSU takes better care of the ball with JL at QB and keeps drives moving. That keeps the defense fresher, which is definitely to LSU's advantage.

One of the things that strikes me about the comparison is how similar the number of 3rd downs LSU has had in those games and how close the number of 1st downs were.