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re: Basis for changing QB's...What makes sense?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:18 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:18 pm to CptBengal
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an N of 1 is not a pattern. It tells you absolutely NOTHING
I'm not just talking about pure yardage. I'm talking play selection and efficiency. After the Oregon game, I broke down the comparison. The A&M game and the Oregon game were nearly identical in terms of play selection and offensive efficiency.
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:lmao: So the succes has nothing to do with the personnel?
It does but it may not be as important as the person coordinating the offense.
Are you arguing that coaching makes no difference in outcome?
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But you KNOW the offense would have been better under JJ as you just purported?
Given ten years of history on Gary Crowton offenses, it's a safe assumption.
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:18 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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if JL is better why was he not named the starter this year? The starting job was still for JJ.
if matt flynn was better, why did jamarcus start?
if davey was better, why did booty start?
we can play this game all day.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:18 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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he starting job was still for JJ.
That's called "tense". You used past tense.
To fix your statement for current events:
The starting job is still for JL.
have a great day!
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:18 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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JL is not 3-0 the team is. OH my. No one can still answer the question, if JL is better why was he not named the starter this year? The starting job was still for JJ.
No one can answer this as Les Miles has taken the day off from the rant. However, I assume that the coaches believed that the QBs would perform comparably, and JJs legs gave him an edge over JL. Also, I do not believe that they expected JL to be as efficient as he has been in the first 3 games. As many have mentioned this has been assisted by a new OC, who does not have his head in his arse.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:18 pm to ForeLSU
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ok, I'll be the one....LSU would be better this season if Mett was ready to play with JL/JJ as backups.
Yea I agree. Since everyone wants to assume and since I saw Met I would have to say Mett is better than both JJ/JL any day of the week.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:19 pm to Rudy40
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I guess for a JJ fanboi the halfway point of a 13 game season is game 11 because game 10 was against ULM and JJ manufactured an astounding 47 yards of total offense which surprisingly enough wasnt even one of his worst games.
The JJ fanbois can cherry pic all they want but when your the 11th rated qb out of 12 in the SEC and the 100th rated out of 116 qb in the country you dont have much to stand on.
When your qb performs bad to horribly in 9 out of 13 games you would think you would make a change! But to prop up a guy who statistically was one of the worst qb's in the country????????
4 net yards against MCNEESE
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:19 pm to ForeLSU
We will miss JJ this week against WVU. That 9 nine yard drive year he directed for the offense only TD in a hostile Baton Rouge was money.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:21 pm to goldengorilla
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Also, I do not believe that they expected JL to be as efficient as he has been in the first 3 games.
I agree
Lee has looked 10x better than last year
he's getting the balls to the receivers, as beckham's player of the week title proves...
8 completions to one receiver...
when is the last time that's even happened in an LSU game?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:21 pm to Rudy40
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I guess for a JJ fanboi the halfway point of a 13 game season is game 11 because game 10 was against ULM and JJ manufactured an astounding 47 yards of total offense which surprisingly enough wasnt even one of his worst games.
What were Lee's stats in that game?
34 total yards.
Not saying Lee is anymore to blame that Jefferson in that game, but its simply a poor game to use as a gauge.
Jefferson played well from Auburn on.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:21 pm to Lithium
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We will miss JJ this week against WVU. That 9 nine yard drive year he directed for the offense only TD in a hostile Baton Rouge was money.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:21 pm to Antonio Moss
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I'm not just talking about pure yardage. I'm talking play selection and efficiency.
I don't care what you're talking about. An N=1 is an N=1.
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I broke down the comparison. The A&M game and the Oregon game were nearly identical in terms of play selection and offensive efficiency.
do you have stats and metric we can compare?
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it does but it may not be as important as the person coordinating the offense.
so you have no flipping idea. Good to know.
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Are you arguing that coaching makes no difference in outcome?
No, I am trying to ascertain your odd position on the matter, where you just admitted you don't have any idea of the contributions of personnel and coaching to the success this year over last.
Yet you are arguing like you do...fricking classic.
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Given two years of JJ's offensive production, it's a safe assumption.
fify.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:22 pm to TheDoc
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4 net yards against MCNEESE
Awesome sample size. Nice job using a game where the other QB was a failure as well.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:22 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
It's just good to have the 5th rated QB in the SEC, for a change.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:22 pm to TheDoc
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when is the last time that's even happened in an LSU game?
When is the last time a QB completed 21 passes in an LSU game?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:23 pm to Lithium
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We will miss JJ this week against WVU. That 9 nine yard drive year he directed for the offense only TD in a hostile Baton Rouge was money.
Not to mention JJ would only be about 3-4 hours from Monticello and have the opportunity to visit the home designed and built by George Jefferson!
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:24 pm to CptBengal
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CptBengal
why do I feel that the poliboard has made me a much better debater on these boards over the years?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:25 pm to RobbBobb
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It's just good to have the 5th rated QB in the SEC, for a change.
This. JL stays 4-7 we win the SEC
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:25 pm to MandevilleLSUTiger
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When is the last time a QB completed 21 passes in an LSU game?
Auburn 2009
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:29 pm to Antonio Moss
I was replying to your quote that JJ played well after the first half of the season. Lee played fine in his chances of extended opportunity.
If you are happy with calling JJ's 7-14 for 46 yards and 1 INT vs Auburn playing well then go for it.
I would prefer to have my qb play somewhat better and actually contribute before I said he played well.
It looks like you and JJ have the same definition of his playing well or fine as he was quoted after compiling his 4 yard performance against McNeese. He thought his play was fine too!!!!
If you are happy with calling JJ's 7-14 for 46 yards and 1 INT vs Auburn playing well then go for it.
I would prefer to have my qb play somewhat better and actually contribute before I said he played well.
It looks like you and JJ have the same definition of his playing well or fine as he was quoted after compiling his 4 yard performance against McNeese. He thought his play was fine too!!!!
Posted on 9/19/11 at 1:29 pm to CptBengal
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I don't care what you're talking about. An N=1 is an N=1.
N=1 comprises 25% of the total data.
You're using your statistical rules incorrectly here.
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do you have stats and metric we can compare?
I'll have to find it. It was the week after the game.
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so you have no flipping idea. Good to know.
How did you come to that conclusion? Under your logic, I could easily argue that Lee being at QB has not helped the offense at all since it is impossible to compare 2010 to 2011 since Crowton is gone.
Logically, it doesn't make sense to complete exclude one variable in complete favoritism of another.
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No, I am trying to ascertain your odd position on the matter, where you just admitted you don't have any idea of the contributions of personnel and coaching to the success this year over last.
I never stated this. My position is quite clear. There are two significant changes from last year's offense - the starting QB and the offensive coordinator. Based on the style of play we currently see, the Cotton Bowl which accounts for the QB variable, and the coaching history of Gary Crowton (the other variable), I can make the assumption that the most significant factor in the change in our offensive production is the loss of Crowton.
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Yet you are arguing like you do...fricking classic.
You mean like weighing all factors instead of just nitpicking shite out of the air?
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