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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:21 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:21 pm to lsufball19
quote:It won't happen for the peanuts an AD could have gotten it for when the guy walked in the door as new coach with a mediocre prior record.
Ok, so Saban had several good years and was given a raise and extension. So earlier you said LSU should have tried to get him to agree to a 2.5 million/year contract for 10 years with him owing LSU the full contract price if he wanted to leave, but now you are saying if a coach has a good year or two it won't happen. So which is it? You can't argue both sides.
Early on, a new coach would probably trade 50 grand a year and double the access to the private jets. Later in the game (after a very strong year or two) it could cost many millions.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 4:25 pm
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:26 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Saban was a hot name
9-2 at Toledo
Coaches in the NFL
9-2 his last year at Michigan State.
He took over a mediocre MSU program and won 9 games without coaching the bowl.
The fact that no coach out there has a similar provision doesn’t make you think that Saban would have told us to walk? It’s not like LSU was a huge prize in 1999.
9-2 at Toledo
Coaches in the NFL
9-2 his last year at Michigan State.
He took over a mediocre MSU program and won 9 games without coaching the bowl.
The fact that no coach out there has a similar provision doesn’t make you think that Saban would have told us to walk? It’s not like LSU was a huge prize in 1999.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:26 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
quote:
right because schools should decide on what to pay coaches based off what Saban gets paid
I asked you this earlier. Is it your intention to make strawman arguments thinking that you made a good point or do you just not know how to make good faith arguments without fallacies? You made a sarcastic response that heavily implied what Texas A&M did was not similar to what other schools have done. So I responded with what another school has, in fact, done that is similar and noted that Texas A&M has conducted business very similarly in the past on multiple occasions.
How is that me saying other schools should base what to pay coaches off of what Saban is paid? I don't know, maybe it is your intention to just argue for the sake of arguing
quote:
considering what you have proposed for O
and based on how you have conducted yourself throughout this thread, I have a strong inclination you have no idea what I proposed for Orgeron.
I'll eagerly wait for your next disingenuous response.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:31 pm to lsufball19
Chip Kelly has a 9 million dollar RECIPROCAL buyout. That was the first result in a 3 second Google search.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:33 pm to lsufball19
Google it!
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:33 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
And his contract is 23 million.
You were talking about a 25 million dollar contract with a 25 million dollar reciprocal buyout
You were talking about a 25 million dollar contract with a 25 million dollar reciprocal buyout
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:37 pm to SammyTiger
quote:23... 25... I accept the demerit for the typo
And his contract is 23 million.
You were talking about a 25 million dollar contract with a 25 million dollar reciprocal buyout
Do you accept that reciprocal buyouts are alive and well in the NCAA (you know, since Kelly and UCLA clearly have one)
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:37 pm to lsufball19
quote:
based on how you have conducted yourself throughout this thread, I have a strong inclination you have no idea what I proposed for Orgeron.
the fact that you proposed anything other than "no extension or raise is necessary at this time" tells me everything I need to know.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:55 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Sure but not to the extent of the entire contract
The closest I’ve found was Neal Brown at Troy having a 3 million buyout his first year on a 3.26 million dollar contract and that was considered pretty extreme.
And that makes more sense because at a school like aTroy a coach is almost guaranteed to either get fired or poached.
The closest I’ve found was Neal Brown at Troy having a 3 million buyout his first year on a 3.26 million dollar contract and that was considered pretty extreme.
And that makes more sense because at a school like aTroy a coach is almost guaranteed to either get fired or poached.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:02 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Chip Kelly has a 9 million dollar RECIPROCAL buyout. That was the first result in a 3 second Google search.
And did you look into why?
quote:
As part of the Bruins’ announcement of Kelly’s hire, UCLA made note that the $23.3 million contract Kelly signed included a $9 million reciprocal buyout. That buyout means that Kelly’s old employer, the San Francisco 49ers, are still on the hook for some of the cash that the franchise owes him. Because Kelly agreed to a four-year, $24 million deal prior to the 2016 season with San Francisco, the 49ers will continue paying Kelly for the rest of the 2017 season, and during the 2018 and 2019 seasons. However, the reciprocal buyout UCLA announced means the 49ers are no longer on the hook for the full amount they owe Kelly over the next two seasons ($12 million), and instead will receive a bit of a financial break.
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Ultimately, because UCLA can lean on the 49ers to pay a significant portion of Kelly’s salary over the next two seasons, the Bruins were able to land a coach they most likely wouldn’t have been able to hire.
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The school also announced a $9 million “reciprocal buyout,” which has no impact on the 49ers’ payments to Kelly.
Kelly stands to lose essentially nothing in the deal. The reciprocal buyout made it possible for the deal to get done on UCLA's end (because they were already paying Jim Mora's 12 million buyout) and served as a benefit to the 49ers to be off the hook from paying him after 3 years. He also gets a $1MM retention bonus every year he remains the coach. The buyout is also only effective for 4 years, meaning it does not survive the life of the contract. Your proposition was offering a 10 year contract with those terms and being fully guaranteed on both sides. No one ever said coaches never had any reciprocal buyouts. Chip didn't need UCLA to offer him more of a buyout if they fired him because the 49ers will be paying most of his salary the next 3 years regardless. So sure, on paper, it looks equal between he and UCLA, but as far as Kelly's bank account is concerned, he still comes out ahead regardless of what he does.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:04 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
quote:
the fact that you proposed anything other than "no extension or raise is necessary at this time" tells me everything I need to know.
K
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:18 pm to lsufball19
@lsufball19
Sorry sir. But if you can't readily admit that reciprocal buyout clauses are a useful aspect of in NCAA coaching contracts, then I do not have time to waste on your sophomoric word games.
Sorry sir. But if you can't readily admit that reciprocal buyout clauses are a useful aspect of in NCAA coaching contracts, then I do not have time to waste on your sophomoric word games.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:22 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I mean Sure, but at the same time, you were talking about a coach pretty much peeing the entirety of his ontract, over 20 million dollars.
That just has never happened.
In the 15 plus years since the time period you’re talking about.
That just has never happened.
In the 15 plus years since the time period you’re talking about.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:34 pm to DeafJam73
quote:
Roger is a douche.
Probably. He certainly is arrogant for no good reason.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:35 pm to LSU Groupee
Loves defending strategies that didn’t work.
Like there isn’t imperial evidence they didn’t work.
Like there isn’t imperial evidence they didn’t work.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:35 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Yeah. Not sure what you're trying to say here, but reciprocal buyouts in business contracts are as common as pickup trucks at a NASCAR parking lot. And with one very quick Google search, I found the Chip Kelly/UCLA reciprocal buyout clause.
you were talking about a coach pretty much peeing the entirety of his ontract, over 20 million dollars.
The fact that you personally are not familiar with them is not very compelling for me. Nice chatting with ya.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:37 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
You’re a moving target
You said LSU could have given Nick Saban a contract worth 25 million over 10 years with a reciprocal buyout of 25 million dollars
And I said That kind of contract doesn’t exist: meaning no coach has ever agreed to a contract with that big of ancoaches buyout to the extent where it is almost
Impossible for him to ever leave.
And there isn’t a contract like that out there.
If you just said there are reciprocal buyouts I probably wouldn’t have disagreed all this much, but the one you’re talking about is extreme
You said LSU could have given Nick Saban a contract worth 25 million over 10 years with a reciprocal buyout of 25 million dollars
And I said That kind of contract doesn’t exist: meaning no coach has ever agreed to a contract with that big of ancoaches buyout to the extent where it is almost
Impossible for him to ever leave.
And there isn’t a contract like that out there.
If you just said there are reciprocal buyouts I probably wouldn’t have disagreed all this much, but the one you’re talking about is extreme
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:42 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Impossible for him to ever leave.
No. Not impossible. Just very expensive for some team to come in and take the main man out of a program you've been building for years.
In a $25 mil reciprocal buyout, the coach is guaranteed $25,000,000 if the team wants to fire him - so don't lose any sleep over that poor coach's finances.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:45 pm to SammyTiger
quote:So, your familiar with all the contracts? Yeah, right
And there isn’t a contract like that out there.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:46 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Almost prohibitively expensive.
So the follow up is
1. Saban wouldn’t have agreed to it. He wanted to be in the NFL one day.
2. Almost no coach would agree to that.
3. In the situation you’ve described of a young coach with no leverage, it wouldn’t make sense for the school to guarantee that much money.
So the follow up is
1. Saban wouldn’t have agreed to it. He wanted to be in the NFL one day.
2. Almost no coach would agree to that.
3. In the situation you’ve described of a young coach with no leverage, it wouldn’t make sense for the school to guarantee that much money.
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