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re: As a QB..

Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:44 am to
Posted by BassMan63
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:44 am to
Plain and simple...JJ is not major college QB material. He doesn't grasp the game. He has no confidence. He complains on the sidelines during the game and quite frankly looks like he is going to cry after every series that fails. How can the receivers and offensive line be the blame. Yeah the receivers drop some balls they all do its part of the game, but what I don't get is the overthrown balls, underthrown balls at their feet or balls not thrown to wide open receivers because poor little JJ doesn't see the whole field. He doesn't because he has tunnel vision. He telegraphs everything he is going to do. Worst excuse for a QB I have ever had to watch.

Crowton's offenses worked quite well at La Tech and BYU. He had QB's that grasped the game and they let it fly. I for one am not going to lay blame on Crowton right now. Miles whom I supported is losing his luster with me. I think he is to blame for the team and fans having to suffer through this pathetic QB mess. He needs to sit JJ once and for all. Let him watch the game from the sidelines. I don't mean have him on the bench pouting and bitching, but standing right there next to the coach watching another QB take some snaps and see the flow of the game. Something has to give or this season will be a bust.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
25289 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:48 am to
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The only beef I have with JJ as a fan is his ranting and raving on the sidelines or during the games, and then he ask for patience from the fans as he works on things. It is certainly hypocritical to ask for it from us if he will not extend the favor to his wideouts.

Also, I tend to get frustrated with his answers to the media. I am not looking for him to come out like Tebow and shite, but something like,

"I heard the boos tonight. I would have booed my performance as well. I practice harder than that, and tonight was an embarrassment on my part. I will get back to the drawing board on Sunday/Monday with my WRs and coaches and we will fix this by the time I set foot on the field next Saturday."


I agree with you about the ranting when WRs miss a pass, etc. That can't be helping team chemistry and it doesn't show a lot of leadership. Now, if somebody misses three in a row or something and you just lose your cool, that's one thing. But when it's common, that's not good. I don't like that. I seriously wonder if the coaches communicate ANY of this stuff to him. It certainly doesn't seem that way.

And I didn't care for his answers to the media either after the game. I know people can read to much into a person's words, but saying things like "what more do you want?" and adding that he has nothing to be frustrated about are not encouraging signs. Nobody likes to take criticism, but he seems like he's got a big issue with it. I know it's not easy at all though.

Now, I'm sure he heard the boos and I think it's fine that he says he has thick skin (though it doesn't seem that way). I think he was meaning to say that he heard them, but is not allowing them to distract him.

I think booing too much definitely isn't helping anything and can make a person a nervous wreck. It's bad enough to have to hear them, but WHY must these reporters ask him about it again after the game??!! It's an A$$HOLE thing to talk about to a player!!! Of course he heard the boos you F-ing MORONS, and because y'all keep talking about it, he ain't gonna forget it anytime soon. No Mr. reporter, he didn't here a good portion of 90,000 booing over and over... no, he's listening to Barbara Streisand classics on his IPOD out there you jackazzes. You can ask Les about it cause he's getting paid a $hitload of $, but enough already with asking the players about it.

Anyway, for all these reasons, I think JL should get a chance to possibly help the team. JJ isn't the only problem at all. The O-line had major issues last game that hurt JJ/the team and the WRs caused a pick and stalled drives because of drops. They all need to make improvements. But JJ might need a little attitude adjustment along with some improvement on the field. He seems like a good guy, he just needs some of our leadership (coaches) to help guide him with on the field actions.
Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:50 am to
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Its definitely a developmental problem, which is why booing JJ or Lee sickens me. The problem is obvious, and both QB's are having to overcome attrocious coaching and zero development. In fact, both may be worse than when they came in.

That's all I'm trying to say.

Sure. The bad passes and penalties are not the coaches fault. I'm not saying that.

However, all the confusion and predictable playcalling is.

I started guessing the plays aloud to a friend just to prove how predictable the offensive playcalling is. Unfortunately, I was right most of the time. Now, if I can sit at home and do this, surely a team of highly-paid & highly-experienced DC's from WVU that have film to study can figure it out. Now, how is that putting these guys in a position to be successful?
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
25289 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:54 am to
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Crowton's offenses worked quite well at La Tech and BYU.


Yeah, well this is the SEC. Just because that stuff worked in those patsie leagues doesn't mean it's gonna work in the best league there is.

I'm not blaming it all on Crowton cause I don't know what goes on, but we have had some serious brain farts at times on the offensive side of the ball.
This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 4:11 am
Posted by CajunSensation
Bellair Cove
Member since Jul 2010
915 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:56 am to
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Crowton's offenses worked quite well at La Tech and BYU.
No, they didn't.
Posted by JohnLSU
Death Valley, LA
Member since Aug 2007
7917 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:56 am to
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Nothing against Lee, but why are folks so sure that he is better when he is being coached up by the same folks as Jefferson?



This is the way I see it.

7-3 As a Freshman starter. Two losses of those game wasn't nearly his fault. 9-1 if the defense was worth a crap that year.

That Season QB Ryan Perrilloux got kicked off the team Jarrett was forced to start with a Badly ran Defense by Two coordinators. For him being a freshman at the time he threw 13 tds almost had 2000 yards. Didn't get any help from his defense putting more pressure on him to make the plays. Coaches give up on him after the tenth game and I wished this kid could have continued being the starter with two more games left. It was a retarded move to put the blame on this Kid. The Coaches doomed this kid from the start by letting Ryan Perrilloux go and having a poorly ran Defense.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282426 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:59 am to
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Now, how is that putting these guys in a position to be successful?


Neither QB had the benefit of learning under an experienced QB. Lee had one redshirt year, but RP was there, I doubt he had any chance to develop. JJ had no chance. Both would probably have been more successful in a different program. The playcalling, as you pointed out, does neither any favors. The whole QB situation is a total failure and honestly LSU may not dig out of it for years.
Posted by LSU Fan Forever 13
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2005
4262 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:00 am to
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The only beef I have with JJ as a fan is his ranting and raving on the sidelines or during the games, and then he ask for patience from the fans as he works on things. It is certainly hypocritical to ask for it from us if he will not extend the favor to his wideouts. Also, I tend to get frustrated with his answers to the media. I am not looking for him to come out like Tebow and shite, but something like, "I heard the boos tonight. I would have booed my performance as well. I practice harder than that, and tonight was an embarrassment on my part. I will get back to the drawing board on Sunday/Monday with my WRs and coaches and we will fix this by the time I set foot on the field next Saturday."


THIS!!!! And I am sorry but Jefferson might be getting put in bad situations but he is not helping himself either. He misses a ton of throws and STILL to this day throws the ball at the ground constantly. I mean if we had Trindon running routes out there we may be in for a treat but unfortunately we don't. His throws have to come up more when trying to hit slants and crossing routes or screens and his throws are way too high when we run curls and gos and if they are not high they are under thrown. his timing is way off and his mechanics are horrible. PERIOD.
Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:04 am to
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Both would probably have been more successful in a different program.

Roger, I made this same statement, earlier.

These young men were highly recruited because they had raw talent. Not because they were finished products.

Miles and Crowton have done nothing to groom or mold them. Matt Flynn made comments that stated something of the sort when he got to Green Bay.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282426 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:07 am to
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Miles and Crowton have done nothing to groom or mold them. Matt Flynn made comments that stated something of the sort when he got to Green Bay.


I agree. It's a bit sickening IMO. I really feel for the two QB's. They are basically hung out to dry.
Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:09 am to
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I agree. It's a bit sickening IMO. I really feel for the two QB's. They are basically hung out to dry.

Yep. And our great, knowledgeable fanbase will continue to criticize them to no end.

They should have fond memories of what it was like being a Tiger when their time in B.R. is over.

Sad.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
25289 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:10 am to
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7-3 As a Freshman starter. Two losses of those game wasn't nearly his fault. 9-1 if the defense was worth a crap that year.


JL should get a realistic shot here, but your numbers are off.

He was 4-4 as a freshman starter. Though he didn't start the Auburn game and I still give him credit for that win. So I could see if you gave him an extra W. Our D was crappy that year, but we still would have lost to Florida and Georgia that year with a good D. He was basically bad in those games, but put up some numbers at the end after the games were over. They probably would have been closer with a better D. We played really good D against Bama, but JL was just too off. And the Troy victory was a total miracle on both sides of the ball. That year was a tough situation for him to be in though...
Posted by PPeterson1
Choklahoma
Member since Jul 2010
2102 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:12 am to
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Miles and Crowton have done nothing to groom or mold them. Matt Flynn made comments that stated something of the sort when he got to Green Bay
You're wrong about that. Crowton has been running fences at JJ to improve his pocket awareness...its true I heard it on ESPN..... :
This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 4:13 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:16 am to
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secondly, when your line gets penalties, and your stuck with lets say 2nd and 15 and crowton calls for a 3 yard gain. its 3rd and 12


On 1st downs, Jefferson was 2 of 5 passing for 3 yards.

Just throwing that out there.
Posted by Live2CTigersWin
Member since May 2010
1664 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:28 am to
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As a QB.


STFU
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
25289 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:29 am to
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On 1st downs, Jefferson was 2 of 5 passing for 3 yards.

Just throwing that out there.

Yeah, but still, one of those incompletions was a pass that went right through Toliver's hands for an INT. And Shepard bobbled one of the completions and was nailed for a 6-yard loss. Besides JJ's many issues, those things didn't help either.
Posted by therocketscientist
too far away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2007
5010 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:39 am to
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Receivers were running wide open last Saturday



THIS ain't no lie.

A QB that
1) stares down his primary receiver every time
2) has tunnel vision
3) is a slow decision maker and
4) has a very slow, wind-up delivery of the ball
5) is ultra gun-shy to throw a pick and avoid a sack (Can be overdone, resulting in lack of confidence and lack of opportunities)
6) poor touch on his passes
7) can't throw the bubble screen

will:
A) not see the wide-open receivers
B) allow the CB's/DB's to ride the throw straight to the intended target, and breaks up the pass
C)therefore falling victum to a collapsing pocket
D) risk fast DE's and blitzes to sack you or knock the ball out of your hand on that slow-arse decision and delivery
E) result in the QB tensing up and tucking the ball and running when his primary receiver is covered like blanket due to telepathing who his primary receiver is every play
F) result in lots of throw at receivers feet over and over and over to avoid INT's
G) an OC who is strapped for plays b/c the QB cannot execute the whole playbook
This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 4:43 am
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
25289 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:45 am to
Yeah, but the OC just does stupid $hit (or whoever is calling plays at certain times). I think there were two drives in a row where Ridley didn't get a touch despite looking pretty awesome. Then, we give him the ball to start the 2nd half and he runs for like 15 yards on one play. The next play we line him up and try to throw on the line of scrimmage to him. And the following play, we send him in motion letting the D know to send the heat on JJ. Just not smart...
Posted by therocketscientist
too far away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2007
5010 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 4:51 am to
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but the OC just does stupid $hit


Sure, the OC is weak (or Mils or whoever is calling the plays), but the QB has SO MANY limitations, that they act together in a pathetic way.

JJ + Crowton = disaster

I'd say 75% a JJ issue, and excaserbated by the poor OC.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
25289 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 5:10 am to
I agree...though I put a little more on the coaches. They aren't making progress there. JJ is averaging 72 yards less per game than he was through four games last year and our offense has a running game this year. He also had 7 TDs and 1 Int. through that many games last year. Why is he going totally in the opposite direction? I've heard of slumps, but come on. Why are we still running the option and why haven't they apparently taught him the right way to do it if they like running it so much? And he's taking longer than ever to throw the ball now? Can they not see this? It's a combo problem that we have and it just doesn't seem like they're demanding excellence with their comments/actions right now.
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