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re: Article: Ranking The SEC Coaches
Posted on 8/24/09 at 3:28 pm to WDcajun
Posted on 8/24/09 at 3:28 pm to WDcajun
I'm not going to automatically keep putting Saban ahead of Miles. Miles was at Okie State for 4 years. During that time he beat OU/Stoops twice with inferior talent. His bowl record at LSU is undefeated. He had the same mediocre season with QB problems that Saban did with QB problems after a championship season except the difference is that Saban could have gone ahead and started preparing JR as a full time starter instead of platooning him with a 5th year senior. Saban lost to a team with less talent (Iowa) in his last game. He also lost to UAB and Miami of Ohio and I don't believe we have lost those types of games yet under Miles. If Miles was destroying the program like what happened to Miami after Butch Davis left then I might be willing to give Saban the blanket go ahead over Miles but I don't see that happening. Time will tel the next 2 years.
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Posted on 8/24/09 at 3:44 pm to texastigerr
in 2007, les took down the whole top three
Posted on 8/24/09 at 3:59 pm to texastigerr
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I'm not going to automatically keep putting Saban ahead of Miles
It's hard to compare them.
Saban took the LSU program that was in shambles and built a power. He did have pretty decent talent to work with, but it was a mess. Miles inherited what could be one of the best situations a coach has ever inherited ... and has done a fantastic job with it.
Miles built a pretty decent Okie St team, but certainly no great one. However, he had limited talent to work with.
It certainly looks like Saban is highly skilled at building a program and Miles is similarly skilled at sustaining one. It's hard to say how each is at the other.
Posted on 8/24/09 at 5:14 pm to MarshalTide
I think it's pretty close.. Spurrier and Bobby Johnson may need to switch spots..
How/Where did Saban accumulate that "1" in a 105 - 50 - 1 record..
How/Where did Saban accumulate that "1" in a 105 - 50 - 1 record..
Posted on 8/24/09 at 6:09 pm to MarshalTide
it is difficult to rank the SEC coaches because they are so damn good. you should be impressed with johnson at vandy and brooks at UK even w/o any hardware due to the dirth of talent in their areas. urban meyer has to be ranked #1, but no way is nick saban as good as his hype. in 5 yrs at lsu, he won an sec title and a nc title both in the only year that he lost less than 3 games. i'm not belittling that, i'm just saying that doesn't qualify for "walking on water" status. miles has done just as well, actually better, in four years. they are both very good. bama fans may dub him the messiah, but that doesn't make it true.
Posted on 8/24/09 at 8:02 pm to MarshalTide
That's actually a solid ranking w/ a coherent explanation. The only change I'd make would be to swap Les and Spur on the basis of recent success. But that's much better and more logical than most.
Posted on 8/24/09 at 8:07 pm to specs1
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in 2007, les took down the whole top three
Last year, les got taken down by Petrino, Nutt, and the top 2.
Posted on 8/24/09 at 8:16 pm to Jsoula
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in 2007, les took down the whole top three
In 2008, he was taken down by 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7 (or something like that, I didnt go back and look)
Just sayin....
I personally would have it: Meyer, Saban, Nutt, Miles, Richt, Petrino, Spurrier, and a pick em.
Posted on 8/24/09 at 8:16 pm to specs1
Beat me to it
Posted on 8/24/09 at 8:28 pm to MarshalTide
I think I would have Miles above Spurrier at this point in history. Spurrier has been lackluster at SC so far, and Miles has done great at LSU other than last year. Overall, I would have to say it was a pretty fair ranking. KC.
Posted on 8/24/09 at 10:11 pm to TriumphTiger
You don't compare what Saban did at LSU to what Miles did at Oklahoma State. LSU is the only big time football school in the state. You compare what Saban did at Michigan State to what Miles did at Oklahoma State. Michigan State was the number two program to Michigan and Oklahoma State plays second fiddle to OU.
Posted on 8/24/09 at 11:27 pm to TriumphTiger
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Miles inherited what could be one of the best situations a coach has ever inherited
I agree, but so did Urban. Not only did Zook leave him a LOT of talent, but he got to Gainesville when Florida State was down and Miami had fallen off the face of the earth. With his style of play, recruiting that state was like shooting fish in a barrel. I'm not holding that against him, though--he's still #1.
I would have had Miles ahead of Saban before last season, but now I'd put Saban slightly ahead. Not so much because of our crap(relatively) season, so much as because of Bama's really good one. I think they overachieved last year, and I give Saban a lot of credit for that.
Richt is definitely #4, and then there's a pretty big dropoff. (Spurrier might have the best overall resume, but he is currently nothing more than mediocre. Lou Holtz had better teams at SC than he has)
Posted on 8/24/09 at 11:38 pm to Hot Carl
Carl bringing da fiya. Though I have a little disagreement about Urban. Les' best teams while at LSU had either a lot of Saban's players or at least a good majority. Urban's best teams at UF (08 and 09 possibly) will be fully his teams.
1. Urban
2. Saban
3. Les
4. Richt
5. Nutt
6. Brooks
7. Johnson
8. Spurrier
9. Loser
10. Someone really shitty
11. Sucks arse
12. Lane Kiffen
1. Urban
2. Saban
3. Les
4. Richt
5. Nutt
6. Brooks
7. Johnson
8. Spurrier
9. Loser
10. Someone really shitty
11. Sucks arse
12. Lane Kiffen
This post was edited on 8/24/09 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 8/24/09 at 11:48 pm to AlexLSU
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Though I have a little disagreement about Urban. Les' best teams while at LSU had either a lot of Saban's players or at least a good majority. Urban's best teams at UF (08 and 09 possibly) will be fully his teams.
I don't see any disagreement. So far, Les's best teams('06 and '07) did have a lot of Saban's players. However, I think Les has yet to coach his best team--I think we'll see that in the next 3 years.
And I wasn't saying Urban hasn't won with his own players--he has and will continue to. I just think that considering the state of the state(Florida) at the time, he probably walked into a little bit better gig. And that is not taking anything away from him as he has taken full advantage. Probably more than any other coach in the country could have.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 12:11 am to MarshalTide
Bunch of crap.
Les Miles, Houston Nutt, Bobby Johnson, Bobby Petrino and Rich Brooks never lost to UAB or Lousiana Monroe.
Les Miles, Houston Nutt, Bobby Johnson, Bobby Petrino and Rich Brooks never lost to UAB or Lousiana Monroe.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 12:12 am to ShermanTxTiger
And none of them have built a program in shambles into a possible team of the decade.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 1:44 am to MarshalTide
Miles to #3, Spurrier to #4.
#12 is dead on.
#12 is dead on.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 1:46 am to AlexLSU
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Les' best teams while at LSU had either a lot of Saban's players or at least a good majority.
Ridiculous argument. Saban's second best team (2001) had tons of Dinardo's players. In fact, you can say that about all of Saban's teams because he never stays anywhere more than 4 or 5 years.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 1:47 am to MarshalTide
I would put Steve 5th, Richt 4th, and Miles 3rd.
Everything else remains.
Everything else remains.
Posted on 8/25/09 at 1:52 am to ForeLSU
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Spurrier is still getting too much credit for stuff that was done 10 years ago, I'd probably shift him down below Richt
I agree with the first half of your statement, but I ask what has Richt done to separate himself from Spurrier? Certainly no NC on his resume, and no dominant teams so far. At a certain point, the NC has to give the edge to two coaches who are close.
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