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re: Aranda Scheme: 3-4 ONE gap
Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:37 am to sosaysmorvant
Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:37 am to sosaysmorvant
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Can LSU run this system with the lack of LBers on the roster? It will be especially dicey if Beckwith turns pro. I hope this hire opens the (LB) recruits eyes.....opportunity is there for the taking. Just sign here!
I'm with the rest of you.....slam dunk hire, but can he employ this system at LSU now?
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Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:37 am to BornKjun
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To me, that's the biggest question about this hire. Is this a defense in which players can make a lot of mistakes with less than a year of playing in it?
Shouldn't be any more difficult to learn than another new system.
1 thing this D requires is that each individual does their job each given play. Freelancing doesn't work in this D. Setting up the play and freeing up 1 player is just as important as making the play. If 1 person doesn't do their job, it won't work and a natural gap will open up. So you have got to do your job.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:51 am to KG5989
Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:51 am to Jake88
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But that doesn't illustrate where the linebackers are going to go in the 2-gap, while it shows a massive blitz for the 1-gap.
it's not meant to show they are blitzing per se, but to show they are going to attack.
LBs in 2 gap are read and react. that is why a big nose tackle is important. He takes on blockers to let the LBs roam freely.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 10:55 am to OBUDan
Yeah he's run a 2 gap system as well. And has experience in the 4-3.
But at Wisky, he predominantly ran a 3-4 1 gap system.
But at Wisky, he predominantly ran a 3-4 1 gap system.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:01 am to KG5989
Yeah, hybrid is right. It's really somewhat like what Carroll does at SEA. And I think We started recruiting personnel to this style in this class. Miles wanted Aranda last year and we started recruiting the different body types to get us to more hybrid fronts.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:17 am to Lester Earl
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it's not meant to show they are blitzing per se, but to show they are going to attack.
This.
It's not saying they are blitzing. Just showing their gap responsibility.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:21 am to KG5989
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So like I said, it's not a true 3-4. It's much more of a hybrid 3-4 that relies on speed, slants, stunts, and pressure up front.
Didn't play football and enjoy explanations from someone who really knows the game.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:27 am to sosaysmorvant
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Can LSU run this system with the lack of LBers on the roster? It will be especially dicey if Beckwith turns pro. I hope this hire opens the (LB) recruits eyes.....opportunity is there for the taking. Just sign here!
I'm with the rest of you.....slam dunk hire, but can he employ this system at LSU now?
Getting KB to stay becomes that much bigger IMO.
And I'm not saying that there won't be a transition period. Because with any new system there will be. But Aranda knows what he's doing and knows how to play to his players strengths and tweak his system so that it fits. And for the most part, yes I think we have the players here to run this system. Obviously some guys are a better fit than others. But it will work. Guys like Key, Godchaux, Herron, Bower, and Neal should thrive in this system. Same with KB if he should return. Riley should do well too. Wish we had Debo for another year because he would thrive in this system as well.
He's not gonna come here and try to get a square peg into a round hole. He's gonna make it work. He's very intelligent and too smart to force his system and not tweak it so it's a better fit. And Aranda has experience working under undersized / tweener guys at Wisky and this system has done extremely well there.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 11:40 am
Posted on 1/2/16 at 11:28 am to Mr Breeze
Posted on 1/2/16 at 12:25 pm to KG5989
Is bamas 3-4 a 1 gap system or 2?
Posted on 1/2/16 at 12:31 pm to TJG210
Pretty sure it's a 2 gap system. Which is why they stress size up front. Gotta have size to play 2 gap system and to fight over blocks, hold your ground, etc.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 12:45 pm to TJG210
Wisconsin fan here.
There is not too much to dislike about Aranda's D. He is a thinker, who likes to exploit matchups up front with multiple defensive formations. He will use 2, 3 and 4 man dlines, and try to confuse the hell out of the opponent. He will blitz anytime, from anywhere on the field. He is not a laid back let them dink and dunk kind of coach. He likes to get after it.
The strong point of the Wisc D this year was its LB's. You might look at them and think they are a step/notch down from what you are used to (mostly because they are all white dudes), but they are athletic and can play. Joe Schobert was an All American this year. He lived in the opponents backfield. Vine Biegel also had a really nice year and contemplated coming out for the draft. And if you watched the 3rd quarter of the USC bowl game, you saw Jack Cichy record 3 straight sacks.
If LSU's D has athletic LB's (which I am sure they do) there is no way this is not a good fit. He will blitz everyone of them at any given time. But, this does mean that you need to have a really good group of CB's, which I am also sure LSU does. He will play tight man to man while blitzing and make the QB beat them with tough/tight windows to throw into.
The 1 concern you may have and not like, is he does like to match up alot, meaning he will have 4 or 5 guys standing on the field waiting for the offense to substitute to a different package, and then run the new defenders onto the field. This has caused the Wisc D to get caught in the past not being set, but not so much this year with the substitution rule.
I truly think this is a home run hire for LSU. As Wisconsin fans, we knew we would lose him eventually, just sucks it is now and too a team that we play in the 1st week of next season. We were hoping for at least 1 or 2 more years with him, as our offense is really young and the Badgers have a chance to be pretty damn good in a year or two.
Anyways, good luck with Aranda, and for those coming to Green Bay next year for the game, have fun. I will be there (live 30 minutes away) and it will be a great atmosphere. Lambeau is truly an awesome venue.
Peaces like Reece's.
There is not too much to dislike about Aranda's D. He is a thinker, who likes to exploit matchups up front with multiple defensive formations. He will use 2, 3 and 4 man dlines, and try to confuse the hell out of the opponent. He will blitz anytime, from anywhere on the field. He is not a laid back let them dink and dunk kind of coach. He likes to get after it.
The strong point of the Wisc D this year was its LB's. You might look at them and think they are a step/notch down from what you are used to (mostly because they are all white dudes), but they are athletic and can play. Joe Schobert was an All American this year. He lived in the opponents backfield. Vine Biegel also had a really nice year and contemplated coming out for the draft. And if you watched the 3rd quarter of the USC bowl game, you saw Jack Cichy record 3 straight sacks.
If LSU's D has athletic LB's (which I am sure they do) there is no way this is not a good fit. He will blitz everyone of them at any given time. But, this does mean that you need to have a really good group of CB's, which I am also sure LSU does. He will play tight man to man while blitzing and make the QB beat them with tough/tight windows to throw into.
The 1 concern you may have and not like, is he does like to match up alot, meaning he will have 4 or 5 guys standing on the field waiting for the offense to substitute to a different package, and then run the new defenders onto the field. This has caused the Wisc D to get caught in the past not being set, but not so much this year with the substitution rule.
I truly think this is a home run hire for LSU. As Wisconsin fans, we knew we would lose him eventually, just sucks it is now and too a team that we play in the 1st week of next season. We were hoping for at least 1 or 2 more years with him, as our offense is really young and the Badgers have a chance to be pretty damn good in a year or two.
Anyways, good luck with Aranda, and for those coming to Green Bay next year for the game, have fun. I will be there (live 30 minutes away) and it will be a great atmosphere. Lambeau is truly an awesome venue.
Peaces like Reece's.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 12:48 pm to justlostanothercoach
Agree with all of that. Thrilled with the hire.
Pop in on the board for time to time... Love to talk to opposing fans, especially during the offseason!
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 12:56 pm to TXGunslinger10
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Travonte Valentine
Doesn't he want to come back?
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:17 pm to BasilBogomil
I have no idea 
On 1 hand I would take him back in a second... On the other I would stay clear of him. Not really sure what I would do
On 1 hand I would take him back in a second... On the other I would stay clear of him. Not really sure what I would do
Posted on 1/2/16 at 5:46 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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So the question becomes, if this is so good why doesn't everyone use it?
Different strokes for different folks.
As much as we all like to look at defensive scheme and strategy, every D has the same goal: to stop the opposing offense. People attempt to do that in a lot of diff variations and ways, but the goal is still the same.
One reason why this type of D isn't used by that many teams is because it puts a lot of pressure on the DC calling the plays. Since it's an "attack style" defense, you take more risks than the typical "read and react" type of D. Your DC has to do his homework and know his opponent and personnel because of this. And Aranda most definitely does his homework and is crazy smart and a great play caller. And that's why he runs it IMO. He knows his opponent and what will work / won't work depending on the opponent and personnel.
And since it's a rarely used style of D, most people don't have experience with it. You stick with what you know because you know it. You don't get a big time college job by running the 4-3 and just all of a sudden decide to switch to a 3-4 and try to learn it during the off season. You won't know the ins and outs of it and you won't have all the answers about that D. You stick with what you know and not too many coaches have experience with this type of D.
And since it's not a widely used defensive scheme, it's unique and tough for the opposing team to prepare for it. You don't see this type of D every year. Which is another + in my book.
But I also really like that it's an "attack style" of defense. You attack the offense. You dictate what the offense does. Typically, it's the offense attacking the D and dictating the game. Not with this D. You attack the offense and make them read and react to what you are doing. We've been way too passive on D these last few years and think this is exactly what we need. Especially with the type of athletes that we have up front and in the DBfield. It's a great fit.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:14 pm to KG5989
quote:Sounds good. I like it.
So the question becomes, if this is so good why doesn't everyone use it?
Different strokes for different folks.
As much as we all like to look at defensive scheme and strategy, every D has the same goal: to stop the opposing offense. People attempt to do that in a lot of diff variations and ways, but the goal is still the same.
One reason why this type of D isn't used by that many teams is because it puts a lot of pressure on the DC calling the plays. Since it's an "attack style" defense, you take more risks than the typical "read and react" type of D. Your DC has to do his homework and know his opponent and personnel because of this. And Aranda most definitely does his homework and is crazy smart and a great play caller. And that's why he runs it IMO. He knows his opponent and what will work / won't work depending on the opponent and personnel.
And since it's a rarely used style of D, most people don't have experience with it. You stick with what you know because you know it. You don't get a big time college job by running the 4-3 and just all of a sudden decide to switch to a 3-4 and try to learn it during the off season. You won't know the ins and outs of it and you won't have all the answers about that D. You stick with what you know and not too many coaches have experience with this type of D.
But I also really like that it's an "attack style" of defense. You attack the offense. You dictate what the offense does. Typically, it's the offense attacking the D and dictating the game. Not with this D. You attack the offense and make them read and react to what you are doing. We've been way too passive on D these last few years and think this is exactly what we need. Especially with the type of athletes that we have up front and in the DBfield. It's a great fit.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:15 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
Me too man... Me too
Posted on 1/2/16 at 6:23 pm to Jake88
He's not saying it's a blitz just what gap each player is assigned to.
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