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Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:12 pm to SG_Geaux
Brown had 2 shots at being LSU's coach,was denied both times by the AD. 
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
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you do know that most people don’t consider mack brown an elite coach right?
Then they are idiots. No he is not the best coach, but his record speaks for itself
But Miles' record means nothing?
Amazing, everybody else gets a pass for any mistakes they make because of their record but Miles doesn't get to count his wins because LSU won some before he got there too.
And he doesn't get to count his National Championship because some (no where near the majority) of his players rode the pine for a year under his predecessor.
You people that make these arguments are heaping piles of patheticness and are not fans of LSU, sorry you just can't be.
If you are not proud of the 2005 or 2007 football teams then there is NO hope for you the GUMPitis has taken root in your hearts and you need to go lick the elephant's ....toes.
We don't need you.
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:23 pm to TigerFan55555
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elite = Makeing something out of nothing..
So why would ANYBODY follow Miles at LSU, the two previous coaches will have won > 70% of the time and both will own at least one National Championship.
By your definition we HAVE to fall all the way to rock bottom (nothing) to ever get another elite coach.
See how stupid that sounds.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:31 pm to TigerFan55555
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hitler could recruit at UT.
then how come Akers, McWilliams and Mackovich couldn't?
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elite = Makeing something out of nothing..
By your own standard you would have to call Mack Brown elite based on his record at North Carolina. They were 1-10 his first year 1988, when he left in 97, they were 10-1 and ranked in the top 10. They also have lost at least 5 games every year since he left.
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Saban - Lsu quote
You could argue LSU was a goldmine too. 1 of the reasons Saban had interest is because he saw how much La there was in the NFL and CFB that didn't go to LSU and knew that if he could keep them in state he could win at LSU. The idea that a school recruits itself is idiotic and disproven by history. People like to say that so they don't give Mack Brown any credit.
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Peterson-Boise
Patterson-TCU
someone once said you are entitled to your own opion but not your own facts. both Boise and TCU were good programs before those coaches got there. Niether built from nothing. The 4 years before Peterson was hired at Boise they were 12-1, 11-1, 13-1, 9-4. Patterson did take TCU to the next level after taking over from Franchione, but it was a good program under Fran.
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:35 pm to cajunjj
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Brown had 2 shots at being LSU's coach,was denied both times by the AD
Not sure when the other time was but in 1994 the brilliant AD first wanted Pat Sullivan, then settled on DiNardo. Supposedly Brown had interest but the insightful AD was not willing to pay enough to make it worth his while to leave UNC. Considering the hiring record of FB coaches by LSU AD's in the past 30 years, that's not really a good measure to use.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:36 pm to SouthernMan
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By your definition we HAVE to fall all the way to rock bottom (nothing) to ever get another elite coach.
See how stupid that sounds.
um no. you completely took me waaaaaaaaaaaay out of context and tried you damnest to make you made yourself sound stupid...not me...
who said we have to go to the bottom....8-5 is close to the bottom for LSU...is the bottom obviously not...it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out...figuratively speaking...
an elite coach makes a winner...turns things around, sure we could argue that we have many things here, just like other universities...but they still turn it around...florida is successful...have won a national titles...but have they ever been so dominant under meyer....cinncy under kelly, boise under peterson, tcu under patterson...no...there success is BECAUSE of their coach...would you argue that about saban and bama either...3 years ago they were a middle of the road sec team...now national power...its all about coaching...and building a winner from mediocracy...is a constant trait of an elite coach...
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:38 pm to SouthernMan
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But Miles' record means nothing?
where did I say that? I was not commenting on Les Miles, I was commenting on Mack Brown.
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Amazing, everybody else gets a pass for any mistakes they make because of their record but Miles doesn't get to count his wins because LSU won some before he got there too.
And he doesn't get to count his National Championship because some (no where near the majority) of his players rode the pine for a year under his predecessor.
You people that make these arguments are heaping piles of patheticness and are not fans of LSU, sorry you just can't be.
If you are not proud of the 2005 or 2007 football teams then there is NO hope for you the GUMPitis has taken root in your hearts and you need to go lick the elephant's ....toes.
We don't need you.
that's an amazing strawman you've constructed there, well done.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:43 pm to TigerFan55555
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now national power...its all about coaching...and building a winner from mediocracy...is a constant trait of an elite coach...
From 1984-1997 Texas had ZERO top 10 finishes, 1 maybe 2 10 wins seasons and no national titles from 1970-2004. Mack Brown has turned them into a prennial top 10 team and NC contender. He is not the best coach in CFB, but by your defination of elite he qualifies.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but by your defination of elite he qualifies
ok
Posted on 9/13/10 at 12:54 pm to TigerFan55555
so you agree Mack Brown is an elite coach.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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so you agree Mack Brown is an elite coach.
meh..maybe...
...vince young def got him his title...and I think he had a lot of help with his success at UT...but ill give you NC...deal?This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:22 pm to The Third
I think this is a fair comparison and if anything an advantage goes to Miles.
Mack Brown has access to more resources at UT and can recruit the entire state of Texas. He could recruit only Texas and do just fine.
Miles has great resources at his disposal, but not like UT. Louisiana has a ton of athletes and more NFL players per capita, but in terms of College recruiting, Texas takes the cake. Also, Les not only has to recruit LA, but TX, FL and other states, and convince kids that live in the ghetto to ignore Austin, Miami and other places, and come to Baton Rouge. He does a pretty damn good job.
Also, Les doesn't have, and never had, a vince young.
Mack Brown has access to more resources at UT and can recruit the entire state of Texas. He could recruit only Texas and do just fine.
Miles has great resources at his disposal, but not like UT. Louisiana has a ton of athletes and more NFL players per capita, but in terms of College recruiting, Texas takes the cake. Also, Les not only has to recruit LA, but TX, FL and other states, and convince kids that live in the ghetto to ignore Austin, Miami and other places, and come to Baton Rouge. He does a pretty damn good job.
Also, Les doesn't have, and never had, a vince young.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:25 pm to TigerFan55555
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an elite coach makes a winner...turns things around, sure we could argue that we have many things here, just like other universities...but they still turn it around...florida is successful...have won a national titles...but have they ever been so dominant under meyer....
So Spurrier's Gators were not dominate?
Again, your criteria for 'elite' is 'turn around' and build.
So Switzer was not an elite college coach?
Butch Davis was a chump at Miami?
SO OSU was in shambles when the Vest arrived?
FOR Les to have FOLLOWED Nick Saban and IMPROVE on what he did for the first few years is an amazing job, he needs to get it back on track from a couple of not 'great' years but LSU is nowhere near nothing or the bottom.
Curley Hallman was the bottom and idiotic fans SCREAMING for changes can lead us back to that place, I've been there and I know you will not like it!
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:30 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
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Mack Brown has access to more resources at UT and can recruit the entire state of Texas. He could recruit only Texas and do just fine.
Then why didn't the previous 3 Texas coaches (21 years) have the same success as Brown?
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:30 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
Lets compare bowl games... It wasn't until Brown's 7th year that he won a BCS game
Mack brown:(7-4)
Cotton-W
Cotton-W
Holiday-L
Holiday-L
Cotton-W
Holiday-L
Rose-W
Rose (National Champions)-W
Alamo-W
Holiday-W
Fiesta-W
Rose (National Championship Game)(Lost)-L
Miles (4-1)
Chick Fil A (Peach-W
Sugar-W
Sugar (National Championship)-W
Chick Fil A-W
Capital One-L
Mack brown:(7-4)
Cotton-W
Cotton-W
Holiday-L
Holiday-L
Cotton-W
Holiday-L
Rose-W
Rose (National Champions)-W
Alamo-W
Holiday-W
Fiesta-W
Rose (National Championship Game)(Lost)-L
Miles (4-1)
Chick Fil A (Peach-W
Sugar-W
Sugar (National Championship)-W
Chick Fil A-W
Capital One-L
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:32 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
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Lets compare bowl games... It wasn't until Brown's 7th year that he won a BCS game
Poor comparison. Brown had to come in and rebuild the Texas program. Miles inherited a very good program.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:34 pm to JustSmokin
Texas had won the Big XII just two years before. Grant it, LSU had just won the NC two years before.
Texas before Brown: they went to two "BCS" bowls in last three years of Mackovic era.(I know before BCS but you know what I mean)
1992 Texas 6–5 4–3 T–2nd
1993 Texas 5–5–1 5–2 T–2nd
1994 Texas 8–4 4–3 T–2nd W Sun 23 25
1995 Texas 10–2–1 7–0 1st L Sugar 14 14
Texas Longhorns (Big 12 Conference) (1996–1997)
1996 Texas 8–5 6–2 1st L Fiesta 23 23
1997 Texas 4–7 2–6 4th
Texas before Brown: they went to two "BCS" bowls in last three years of Mackovic era.(I know before BCS but you know what I mean)
1992 Texas 6–5 4–3 T–2nd
1993 Texas 5–5–1 5–2 T–2nd
1994 Texas 8–4 4–3 T–2nd W Sun 23 25
1995 Texas 10–2–1 7–0 1st L Sugar 14 14
Texas Longhorns (Big 12 Conference) (1996–1997)
1996 Texas 8–5 6–2 1st L Fiesta 23 23
1997 Texas 4–7 2–6 4th
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:36 pm to The Third
Not a good comparison. Look at the programs when each began their careers at their respective schools.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 1:39 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
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Texas had won the Big XII just two years before.
Texas went 8-5 and 4-7 the two years before Brown showed up. They finished 23 in the polls in 1996. They were no where close to LSU's level when Miles came in.
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 1:40 pm
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