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re: Apparently some posters think LSU >= Harvard, academically
Posted on 8/25/09 at 11:58 pm to Volvagia
Posted on 8/25/09 at 11:58 pm to Volvagia
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The people I talk about could have applied to Harvard themselves and had a realistic shot of getting in if they didn't want to 1) spend so much fricking money, 2) go so far away from home.
If your friends are:
1) dumb enough to think that the hefty price tag for Harvard isn't going to result in lifetime earnings that will dwarf what they'll make with their free LSU degree;
2) too emotionally immature to leave home for a chance to attend the highest regarded learning institution in the world;
they probably didn't get into Harvard.
And even if they did, they certainly don't represent the overall level of student intelligence at LSU.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 12:01 am
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:01 am to Volvagia
So the students with higher standardized test scores and high school GPAs who take harder tests graded on more competitive curves aren't necessarily more well educated?
Look, I know a guy at LSU who got a 240 on the PSAT. That is extremely impressive. There are also people like Barbara Bush or recruited field hockey players at Ivy League schools who have no business being there. But those are exceptions to the rule, much like how Duke's QB last year could have run circles around Lee, Hatch, and Jefferson (at the beginning of the year). It's a real stretch to draw any other conclusion.
Look, I know a guy at LSU who got a 240 on the PSAT. That is extremely impressive. There are also people like Barbara Bush or recruited field hockey players at Ivy League schools who have no business being there. But those are exceptions to the rule, much like how Duke's QB last year could have run circles around Lee, Hatch, and Jefferson (at the beginning of the year). It's a real stretch to draw any other conclusion.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:01 am to bnozzles
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1) dumb enough to think that the hefty price tag for Harvard isn't going to result in lifetime earnings that will dwarf what they'll make with their free LSU degree;
You are assuming LSU is the end of the formal education road for any of them.
Two students go to an Ivy League graduate school: one has 30 grand saved from undergrad, the other 100k in debt. Who was the one better off and "smarter."
And LSU offers opportunities in my field that few other universities have, Harvard included. And this also ties into the fact that employment with my major is more concerned with what you have done rather than where you went to school.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:03 am to Keys Open Doors
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So the students with higher standardized test scores and high school GPAs who take harder tests graded on more competitive curves aren't necessarily more well educated?
What does high school education have to do with college education?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:04 am to Volvagia
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And LSU offers opportunities in my field that few other universities have, Harvard included.
Explain...
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:06 am to Volvagia
It impacts the expectations of professors at the university level.
The visiting professors who came from Ole Miss and Memphis,even UVA gave such ridiculously easy tests that within a semester, everyone would know to take their classes for the Spring semester.
The visiting professors who came from Ole Miss and Memphis,even UVA gave such ridiculously easy tests that within a semester, everyone would know to take their classes for the Spring semester.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:08 am to bnozzles
Willingness to throw you in a lab setting as a freshmen to work under a professor and pay you for it.
And more importantly, CAMD....LSU is one of very few universities in the country with a synchrotron, and it is essential for the line of work I plan on getting in. And as an LSU student I have nearly free access to it. Whereas I have seen shipping containers from Ivy League schools that have sent their experiments down here (and paid for it).
And more importantly, CAMD....LSU is one of very few universities in the country with a synchrotron, and it is essential for the line of work I plan on getting in. And as an LSU student I have nearly free access to it. Whereas I have seen shipping containers from Ivy League schools that have sent their experiments down here (and paid for it).
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:08 am to Volvagia
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You are assuming LSU is the end of the formal education road for any of them.
No I wasn't. But it sounds like your friends were assuming (as HS seniors) that they'd end up with a high GPA from a school they never attended (LSU) and a high score on a graduate-level standardized test score they hadn't yet taken. If your friends were actually smart, they would have demonstrated a little caution and taken the "safe bet" for high lifetime earnings by attending Harvard UG.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 12:10 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:13 am to bnozzles
Actually for high school students who know they want to go to med school or Ph.D programs after college, going to a state school is a great idea because undergraduate GPA, standardized testing, and research experience are the only three things that really matter.
Research experience will be relatively similar at a top school and a large state school and standardized testing won't be impacted by what college you go to. However, undergrad GPA can definitely be easier to predict for a smart kid going to a state school.
However, if someone is not sure or if they want to enter law or business, I would definitely suggest they go to the best school possible and start making connections.
Research experience will be relatively similar at a top school and a large state school and standardized testing won't be impacted by what college you go to. However, undergrad GPA can definitely be easier to predict for a smart kid going to a state school.
However, if someone is not sure or if they want to enter law or business, I would definitely suggest they go to the best school possible and start making connections.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:13 am to Volvagia
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LSU is one of very few universities in the country with a synchrotron, and it is essential for the line of work I plan on getting in. And as an LSU student I have nearly free access to it. Whereas I have seen shipping containers from Ivy League schools that have sent their experiments down here (and paid for it).
Making a generalization about the quality of a school based on esoteric BS like this is a little short-sighted on your part.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:15 am to Keys Open Doors
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Actually for high school students who know they want to go to med school or Ph.D programs after college, going to a state school is a great idea because undergraduate GPA, standardized testing, and research experience are the only three things that really matter.
Research experience will be relatively similar at a top school and a large state school and standardized testing won't be impacted by what college you go to. However, undergrad GPA can definitely be easier to predict for a smart kid going to a state school.
That's fine, I'll yield to yall on the med stuff. Definitely not an area I know or care that much about.
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However, if someone is not sure or if they want to enter law or business, I would definitely suggest they go to the best school possible and start making connections.
Welcome to 95% of the students at LSU.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 12:16 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:18 am to bnozzles
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Making a generalization about the quality of a school based on esoteric BS like this is a little short-sighted on your part.
I am not making a generalization.
A generalization is Harvard>LSU period. Whatever LSU offers, Harvard does it better. All I have said is that Harvard is not inherently better than LSU just because they are Harvard.
I am saying that schools are more complex than that and you are a fool IMO if you just make your school choice based on that perception. For example, I wouldn't want to go to Tulane for undergrad for pretty much anything science related versus LSU...but if you were going more the law school/liberal arts you should go in a heartbeat.
You have to look at what the school offers for YOU and YOUR major. Services that do not apply to you might as well not be there. So yeah, as far as I am concerned, "esoteric BS" is everything.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 12:20 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:20 am to Keys Open Doors
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Actually for high school students who know they want to go to med school or Ph.D programs after college, going to a state school is a great idea because undergraduate GPA, standardized testing, and research experience are the only three things that really matter.
Research experience will be relatively similar at a top school and a large state school and standardized testing won't be impacted by what college you go to. However, undergrad GPA can definitely be easier to predict for a smart kid going to a state school.
Thank you...this is basically my world.
And I live under a rock in it, so I don't know much about anything outside of it.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:27 am to Volvagia
Even then, this can be simplified even more. Students who want to enter Ph.D programs after undergrad should just go to LSU because it is free and residency doesn't mean anything to the Ph.D programs.
However, for the poor souls who want to go to med school, they should go somewhere like UNC or UT-Austin, with great in-state med schools because instate residency almost means as much as your MCAT or GPA
However, for the poor souls who want to go to med school, they should go somewhere like UNC or UT-Austin, with great in-state med schools because instate residency almost means as much as your MCAT or GPA
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:29 am to bnozzles
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This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 2:09 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:31 am to deew
I have never heard that reference FWIW
Harvard of the South>>>Vandy
Although I think some call Ole Miss that.
Harvard of the South>>>Vandy
Although I think some call Ole Miss that.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 12:33 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:35 am to Volvagia
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A generalization is Harvard>LSU period. Whatever LSU offers, Harvard does it better.
You're interpreting a generalization as a categorical statement. Generally, whatever LSU offers, Harvard does it better.
Your argument is like someone rejecting the notion that the U.S. is a better country than Mexico because Mexico has better beaches. Yea, you might be right if most people were SCUBA divers.
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You have to look at what the school offers for YOU and YOUR major.
There are a negligible number of HS seniors obsessed with a specialty to the point they're investigating shite like which schools have the best synchrotrons. I'm glad there are a few 17 year old d-bags like you out there, but again, we're talking about a general rule here.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:36 am to deew
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But this doesn't take away from the fact that LSU is a great school.
Goes without saying.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:38 am to bnozzles
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Welcome to 95% of the students at LSU.
True, but those are probably not the people deciding between going to LSU debt free or taking on some debt at an Ivy League school.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:41 am to Keys Open Doors
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True, but those are probably not the people deciding between going to LSU debt free or taking on some debt at an Ivy League school.
Not sure. But I'd bet the two posters quoted in the OP fall into this category too.
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