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re: Andre Ware expects Jefferson to have a huge year

Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:21 pm to
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And for the record, every D1 player in america has the same chance. 50%.


Holy shite....you gotta be kidding me.

Ware doesn't know anything more than you or I. Let's ramp up the JJ for Heisman talk mid season if JJ has 20 td's, fewer than 5 INT's and is around 1,500 yds passing.

Should this happen, Kragthorpe is a certifiable magician.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288308 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:21 pm to
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What was Cam Newton chances last year when everyone thought Ingram would repeat?



better than Jefferson's chances this year.


he certainly didnt shite the bed 3 years at Auburn before last year.

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Its football and you don't know the future. Who knows who will have a breakout season. And for the record, every D1 player in america has the same chance. 50%. Either you win it, or you don't.


ive been enjoying the talk you've been generating on here lately, but man this is just fricking stupid.


Trent Richardson has as good of a shot at the Heisman as our 1 armed kicker. Whoo Hoo!!! Start the campaign!!! Who knows what the future holds!!
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:23 pm to
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So, every player has the same odds of winning the heisman as not winning? Please tell me you didn't take stats at LSU.

Are you saying that every player in college football doesn't have the same chance of winning the Heisman?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295801 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:23 pm to
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Are you saying that every player in college football doesn't have the same chance of winning the Heisman?



Absolutely.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:42 pm to
The heisman also isn't best player in America. Its the player who causes the greatest impact on a team. Most of the time, that player is the best in america.

At this point, every single player in CFB has the same heisman chances.

As of right now, all players have 0 total yards for the 2011 season.

Who knows who will have a breakout year.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288308 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:44 pm to
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The heisman also isn't best player in America. Its the player who causes the greatest impact on a team.



its awarded to the most outstanding player in CFB
Posted by NawlinsTigah270
Mile High
Member since Jun 2008
13115 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:44 pm to
I wish I shared his optimism
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295801 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:52 pm to
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At this point, every single player in CFB has the same heisman chances.


C'mon man. I understand your point but this is absolutely ridiculous.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46064 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:53 pm to
so you're doubting Will Blackwell's Heisman chances? why you wanna dash that young man's dreams, Roger?
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:54 pm to
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I wish I shared his optimism


There's no reason not to. Yes JJ had a terrible year. But we have brought in a new OC and QB coach who is working on his mechanics. That's reason enough for excitement there. Also, JJ showed some real improvement in the spring game. Cue the he went 4-14 argument.
Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:55 pm to
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At this point, every single player in CFB has the same heisman chances.


So you're saying the 3rd string walk-on kicker at UAB has the same chance as Luck, Richardson, LMJ, etc.?

Are you also sticking by your statement that each player has a 50% chance?
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:02 pm to
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Are you also sticking by your statement that each player has a 50% chance?


Umm, yes. Did anyone know who Luck was until he went off last year and had an amazing season? No games have even been played yet. Its just like the NC. Until an actual game is played, LSU has a good of a shot at the NC as Michigan.

Thats why awards arent handed out in the preseason. Remember just last year when Gilbert from UT and Brantley from UF was the future? Preseason hype means nothing.


And before it gets confused, no i do not believe JJ will win the heisman. But his preseason chances are just as good as anyone elses
Posted by heatom2
At the plant, baw.
Member since Nov 2010
13060 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:08 pm to
Anyone who is a QB, a RB or a WR has a chance. Not many others do. I don't know that a defender will ever win one again.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295801 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:08 pm to
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Are you also sticking by your statement that each player has a 50% chance?



Umm, yes.


Holy shite....at least you are consistent. Wrong, but consistent. I highly doubt any player has a 50% chance of winning the Heisman. Much less all of them.
Posted by NawlinsTigah270
Mile High
Member since Jun 2008
13115 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:12 pm to
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JJ showed some real improvement in the spring game

I mainly saw the JJ we all know too well.
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Cue the he went 4-14 argument

It is what it is
I hope JJ breaks every single season passing record out there en route to a Heisman and BCSNC, but the horrible memories of the large majority of last years games have me quite pessimistic. I will remain this way until he actually goes out there and proves something on the field.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288308 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:17 pm to
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Anyone who is a QB, a RB or a WR has a chance. Not many others do. I don't know that a defender will ever win one again.




quit being silly!!

everyone knows every player goes into the season with equal chances!
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:19 pm to
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This relates to two things that, at this point, cannot be fixed.

(1) Self confidence, and
(2) Mechanics

Throwing mechanics breeds consistency.


I agree with everything except for the bolded text. I am on record as being displeased with JJ's quarterbacking and for having very little faith in the supposed breakout year. But even me, the most pessimistic poster about JJ this side of Rudy, notes the following, which provides me with some glimmer of hope:

1. Physical Tools. JJ is a 6'5", 224 lb prototype. He has an above average arm, above average running speed and a healthy measure of athleticism.

2. Experience. He has started 28 games as the QB for LSU. 17 of those starts came against SEC teams and 3 were in bowl games against Top 15 OOC opponents. He's played in big games before. Yes, he hasn't played very well, but he has had the opportunity to learn from the mistakes of the past. Thus, while we can be pessimistic about the likelihood he'll ever be the type of QB who can actually be a reason LSU wins, it is perfectly logical to suggest that JJ will have his best overall year this upcoming season.

3. His mechanics can be fixed. He's only 21. If he applies himself and buys in to what Kragthorpe is teaching, he can improve his footwork, mechanics, accuracy and decision-making. As bad as he has looked at times, there have been moments of brilliance. Practice (done properly) does make perfect and making a few tweaks and gaining more consistency can have an exponential impact on his productivity.

4. Success breeds self-confidence. Put 1-3 together on a consistent basis with a proper attitude (i.e., whatever mindset he was playing in against Auburn in 2009) and JJ can change his whole persona. This in turn could be redoubled as his teammates and the fanbase start believing in him.

So while I think it is more probable than not that JJ will be only slightly better than he was the past year, it is not completely out of the question that the four things I outlined above all come to pass and JJ has a season like Mauck in 2003. And if he does that, we have 21 other starters plus the depth to turn that into another MNC for LSU.

Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:22 pm to
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Anyone who is a QB, a RB or a WR has a chance. Not many others do. I don't know that a defender will ever win one again.
sadly, this is true. I would take WR off as well. The last defensive player that had a legitimate chance was Suh
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20360 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:30 pm to
I couldn't have said it better myself. I think t will happen. We will see. But if Jordan was ever going to be a good college QB, the pieces of the puzzle are falling in place.
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:37 pm to
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I couldn't have said it better myself. I think t will happen. We will see. But if Jordan was ever going to be a good college QB, the pieces of the puzzle are falling in place.


Ha! We only differ in "faith"!
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