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Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:30 pm to OBUDan
u need a girlfriend or something.....
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:32 pm to OBUDan
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Some of this is over-analysis
Understatement of the fricking century.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:36 pm to OBUDan
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Some of this is over-analysis
Ya think?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:37 pm to RobbBobb
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The dump-off man never looked around for the ball. This was basically a throwaway because the receiver did not do his job. Your screen shot even confirms his firld of vision because hes looking at the camera, with the ball on its way.
And you call it a bad throw
Huh?
I guess we see different things... we run something similar later, Ford is turning his head to locate the ball, which should be delivered in front of him.
I highly doubt he's "Looking at a camera" that's probably 40 rows up in the crowd.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:39 pm to OBUDan
Dan you seem like a blast to watch the game with
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:40 pm to Housplants
quote:This is true.
Maybe you should go back to some films from last season and perform this type of analysis on our QB play.
Seems to me you might then be convinced that this was the best accuracy performance we have had in over a year.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:40 pm to Lester Earl
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I dont think anyone is using what happened 3 years ago as an excuse.
I think a lot of people have said before that Crowton/Miles/coaches/situation ruined his development.
To me, every player faces obstacles. Some overcome and some don't.
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And even more so throwing the ball to a Freshman WRs and otherwise inexperienced WR corp after taking reps with the 2's mostly throughout the offseason. Chemistry isnt built over night. And his confidence in game surely isn't aided by WRs dropping passes, whether they are perfect or not.
I hope so. Obviously all the screen shots and things I pointed out are excessive. I'm not expecting every pass to be on the money. Some of the throws were "good enough", some of them were just bad. I just hope the few games help him break his bad habits.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:42 pm to Housplants
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Maybe you should go back to some films from last season and perform this type of analysis on our QB play.
I've done it in my spare time, and diagrammed plays elsewhere.
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Seems to me you might then be convinced that this was the best accuracy performance we have had in over a year.
This thread has nothing to do with J.J.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:42 pm to OBUDan
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I guess we see different things...
No, you see what you want to see.
Its clear that the rush is past Ford, and into the backfield. There are no more players to block. The QB needs to immediately dump the ball, yet Ford is looking down the field rather than in the direction that the ball is coming.
It was a good play to avoid a sack, and maybe luck up if Ford turns around in time. He didnt
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:43 pm to LSUsmartass
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Dan you seem like a blast to watch the game with
Ha.
When I watch the game, it's all raw emotion and fun and excitement and drunkeness and knee jerk reactions.
Doing things like this are fun to me. I don't really care if people think it's stupid.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:44 pm to OBUDan
I like how you think anything that is not perfect is a "bad throw". 2 I have big problems with are the incomplete dump off to Ford and the back shoulder pass to Boone.
You classified the dump to Ford as bad becuase he rushed it because he was under pressure and it would have been a huge gainer if he had held it a second longer. First of all, that play was going to get back to around the line of scrimmage if complete. Two defenders are right there. Secondly, how much longer you want him to hold it??!! They were right on him.
Then you classify the throw to Boone as badly short armed and if he leads him its a TD??? (1)There was safety help over the top (2) Lee puts the throw on the back shoulder where the defender can't get it, while he is about to get drilled. Should have been caught and no it was not perfect but its not nearly the horrible quarterbacking you imply in most of your analysis.
You classified the dump to Ford as bad becuase he rushed it because he was under pressure and it would have been a huge gainer if he had held it a second longer. First of all, that play was going to get back to around the line of scrimmage if complete. Two defenders are right there. Secondly, how much longer you want him to hold it??!! They were right on him.
Then you classify the throw to Boone as badly short armed and if he leads him its a TD??? (1)There was safety help over the top (2) Lee puts the throw on the back shoulder where the defender can't get it, while he is about to get drilled. Should have been caught and no it was not perfect but its not nearly the horrible quarterbacking you imply in most of your analysis.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:48 pm to RobbBobb
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No, you see what you want to see.
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Its clear that the rush is past Ford, and into the backfield. There are no more players to block. The QB needs to immediately dump the ball, yet Ford is looking down the field rather than in the direction that the ball is coming.
I'm not going to do a frame by frame break down, but Ford chips the DE, immediately whips his head in anticipation for the pass, throw doesn't come, so he looks up field and then turns his head back around and the ball is thrown behind him.
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It was a good play to avoid a sack, and maybe luck up if Ford turns around in time. He didnt
Everyone was blocked. No one was going to sack Lee...
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:51 pm to OBUDan
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This thread has nothing to do with J.J.
Right...
It has to everything to do with the LSU QB "controversy".
Everyone that watched the game last night saw that Lee made a few bad throws. Watch Tom Brady this week and you will see a few of those.
Your analysis showed that the majority have his passes were catchable passes, he made a couple of nice short throws that allowed receivers to run after the catch, and he made a couple of down the field throws that were very nice.
He threw no picks, he never threw into double-or-more coverage, and he was sacked only one time.
All of this against a highly ranked team in the 1st game of the season.
All-in-all, a good (not great) performance that should be appreciated by all LSU fans that do not have a axe to grind (JJ). Especially under the circumstances.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:51 pm to Bonjourno
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You classified the dump to Ford as bad becuase he rushed it because he was under pressure and it would have been a huge gainer if he had held it a second longer. First of all, that play was going to get back to around the line of scrimmage if complete. Two defenders are right there. Secondly, how much longer you want him to hold it??!! They were right on him.
Discussed above.
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Then you classify the throw to Boone as badly short armed and if he leads him its a TD??? (1)There was safety help over the top (2) Lee puts the throw on the back shoulder where the defender can't get it, while he is about to get drilled. Should have been caught and no it was not perfect but its not nearly the horrible quarterbacking you imply in most of your analysis.
The safety is running parallel to the 30 on the pass... He's not "over the top" of anything. If it's out in front of Boone, that safety is chasing, just like the CB Boone had beat.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:52 pm to Housplants
If I were grinding a JJ axe, I don't think I'd talk about how bad he sucks in the midst of my grinding.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 10:59 pm to OBUDan
There is no QB controversy. Lee didn't throw any interceptions and LSU walked away with a more impressive victory against a much higher ranked opponent than they did the last game they played in Dallas. Lets not forget, A&M was freaking ranked 18th or whatever.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:01 pm to EricB
Who said there was a QB controversy?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:04 pm to OBUDan
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I'm not going to do a frame by frame break down,
I know why. Watched it 6 more times
Ford never gets his head around, never. And the second Lee releases the ball, Oregon's DE swipes him with his right arm as they go out of frame
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:08 pm to RobbBobb
Alright, if it means that much to you, fine. This is a stupid argument.
I've watched it a hundred times too and I can clearly see him get his head around.
LINK - 2:12
I think that link should open the vid at the exact play if anyone else wants to offer their opinion of whether or not Michael Ford got his head around, because that's now the nexus of this thread.
I've watched it a hundred times too and I can clearly see him get his head around.
LINK - 2:12
I think that link should open the vid at the exact play if anyone else wants to offer their opinion of whether or not Michael Ford got his head around, because that's now the nexus of this thread.
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 11:10 pm
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