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re: All we need is good QB play right?

Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:17 pm to
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Still doesn't mean Jarrett Lee was going to beat Alabama without a running game.


agreed.
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:18 pm to
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Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the fact that we were playing teams with terrible rushing defenses might have had something to do with our sudden spike in rushing yards? 


Do you think maybe, just maybe, the fact that we were playing teams with terrible rushing defenses might have had something to do with an increased emphasis on the running game?
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:20 pm to
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Still doesn't mean Jarrett Lee was going to beat Alabama without a running game.


Tommy Hodson could have been the QB that night and we still lose........
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:31 pm to
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Our passing offense was substantially worse with him in the game. 


No it wasnt. Lee had 7.8 yards per attempt is 2011 and JJ had 7.4 yards per attempt in 2011.
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Our total yards spiked because we played against the 2 of the worst rushing defenses that we faced all year in Ole Miss and Western Kentucky along with a bad Arkansas. 


Bad arkansas? In what fricking reality is a 1 loss #3 team in the country, a bad team? We also played Bama in November.
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actually involve the quarterback instead of adding rushing stats in there that Jefferson didn't really have an effect on?


Only an idiot would say JJ'S rushing yards had no effect. We don't beat Bama on 11/5 without JJ's rushing ability.
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And if Jefferson did such a good job bolstering our running game then why did we only rush for 38 yards against Alabama? 


Really? On Nov. 5th JJ had 110 yards( 67 passing on 6/10 passing and 43 rushing) of our 239 totals yards.
Lee was 3/7 for 24 yards and 2 ints

Facts prove that November was our best offensive month and that had #2 bama and #3 arky in it. So stop saying our offense was shite after JJ began to start because facts prove otherwise. It's not my opinion that our offense got better, IT'S A FACT. But yeah who cares about facts when we have your biased opinion.

You sit there and say the reason our stats looked better was because of who we played in that month but fail to realize that November's numbers were better than Oct's # (JLEE started every game) and in OCTOBER WE DIDNT PLAY A SINGLE RANKED TEAM. Not one team was ranked in oct. And in Nov we played 2 top 3 teams.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:31 pm to
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really.... Wow I thought you knew how to read... Go to my post with the outcome of each game and try to tell me honestly that November was the hardest month and look at the results of the games L


We played 2 top 3 teams in November. No other month comes close to that. In October we didnt play 1 ranked team.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted by southeasttiger113
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:33 pm to
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Do you think maybe, just maybe, the fact that we were playing teams with terrible rushing defenses might have had something to do with an increased emphasis on the running game?
What increased emphasis on rushing? We averaged 44 rushing attempts per game all season and ran it 40 times vs WKU, 50 times vs Ole Miss, and 46 times vs Arkansas. There was no "increased emphasis on rushing". And even if there was, what does that have to do with the fact that you're falsely claiming JJ made our rushing game better when he had nothing to do with it?

Want to pull any more stats out of your arse that I can clear up for you?
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:35 pm to
I will say that I believe that we used the pass to set up the run early on in the season with Lee and I don't think we could do that with Jefferson. Bama D pinned its ears back 1/9 knowing we weren't throwing and that's that. Im not saying anything else would have saved us, but not trying anything else was beyond unforgivable.
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:36 pm to
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He passed for 50 vs Bama and 30 vs Georgia. The postseason skewed his numbers down and I left them out because I knew he was going to bitch if I included them just to show that we were worse against normal teams with Jefferson




Gotcha......... I was thinking you fell and hit your head.....
Posted by jumpup123
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:38 pm to
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Yes, but that's a lot from Miles.


He won a championship with a four year back up.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:41 pm to
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made our rushing game better when he had nothing to do with it? 



Right because we didn't win the Nov 5th meeting with bama because of JJ'S ability to run. He had 40% of our entire offensive production.he had 4 yards per carry against bama(#2) on Nov. 5th and had 7.6 yards per carry against arky (#3)
Only someone who doesn't understand football would say JJ didn't help our run game. Even if JJ never ran, the defense would have to account for him and they couldn't just crash down on the rb.
Posted by southeasttiger113
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:43 pm to
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Lee had 7.8 yards per attempt is 2011 and JJ had 7.4 yards per attempt in 2011.
I guess 7.4 is better than 7.8 now. Good point!
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Bad arkansas? In what fricking reality is a 1 loss #3 team in the country, a bad team?
Are you even reading my posts or do you just want to blindly circle jerk all over JJ? Arkansas' overall defense was 48th and their rushing defense was almost 80th. That's pretty bad.
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Only an idiot would say JJ'S rushing yards had no effect. We don't beat Bama on 11/5 without JJ's rushing ability
Reading comprehension. You don't have it. I said that Jordan Jefferson didn't have an effect on the added rushing yards against Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Western Kentucky. Please thoroughly read my posts before you reply with dumb shite
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Facts prove that November was our best offensive month and that had #2 bama and #3 arky in it. So stop saying our offense was shite after JJ began to start because facts prove otherwise. It's not my opinion that our offense got better, IT'S A FACT. But yeah who cares about facts when we have your biased opinion.
I already addressed this in great detail. Jordan Jefferson had nothing to do with the fact that our offense was better in November. Our running backs went off for an average of 300 yards a game and our passing yards dropped substantially with Jefferson under center.
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You sit there and say the reason our stats looked better was because of who we played in that month but fail to realize that November's numbers were better than Oct's #
Holy shite you're an idiot. Go read my posts dumbass, I REALIZE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. Put the fricking bottle down or go take a few reading comprehension classes if you can't understand why "our total offense went up!!!!!!" isn't a sound argument when we're talking about quarterbacks and passing yards
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:44 pm to
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There was no "increased emphasis on rushing"


Jarrett Lee attempted 20+ passed 7 times in 2011, Jordan Jefferson did it once. If that's not an increased emphasis on rushing, I'd like to know your definition.

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And even if there was, what does that have to do with the fact that you're falsely claiming JJ made our rushing game better when he had nothing to do with it? 



Ever heard of the read option?
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:44 pm to
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and in OCTOBER WE DIDNT PLAY A SINGLE RANKED TEAM




In October FLA was ranked #17 and AU was ranked #19.... Do some research....


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In what fricking reality is a 1 loss #3 team in the country, a bad team?





Arkie was still giving up 363 YPG in 2011.......



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So stop saying our offense was shite after JJ began to start because facts prove otherwise.


I don't think anybody said the O was shite after JJ started playing most of the time... He just didn't do to well against high rated D's... Not saying Lee would have done better BUT. UGA held JJ and the LSU offense to ZERO 1st downs in the 1st half and Bama dominated JJ the whole game... IMO the offense was better overall when Lee was playing... Sometimes stats don't matter and this is one of those cases........
Posted by southeasttiger113
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:47 pm to
In what world is Jordan Jefferson suddenly Robert Griffin III or Nick Marshall? The dude wasn't very fleet of foot and never rushed for 3.4 YCP that season. That isn't particularly intimidating to opposing defenses bud. I fully understand football, but I also understand that a goofy 6'5" guy that can barely make a cut isn't going to do shite to help out our running backs
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:50 pm to
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The dude wasn't very fleet of foot and never rushed for 3.4 YCP that season.


How did we beat Tennessee?
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:51 pm to
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How did we beat Tennessee?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:54 pm to
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don't think we could do that with Jefferson


Why? His passing stats were good in 2011. 6tds -2 ints,61% compl, 7.4 yards per pass,,and 737 passing yards.
It's not like Lee was winning games by himself. He threw for over 180 yards in only 1 game(miss st).
Look I'm not saying JJ was a great qb in 2011 but our offense didn't go to shite once he began to start.
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Bama D pinned its ears back 1/9 knowing we weren't throwin

While J Lee was the better pure passer there wasn't this huge gap between the two and Bama would've still pinned their hear backs because they knew JLEE didn't handle pressure well at all. He has a career 1td-7 ints against Bama.

I do believe that JLEE had earned the right to remain the starter though.
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:54 pm to
It was the yin to the yang of the Bluegrass Miracle.

Tennessee will likely go down in CFB history as the only team to win and lose the same game twice in a season.

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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:56 pm to
Dooley, hilarious.
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:56 pm to
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How did we beat Tennessee?



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