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re: All we need is good QB play right?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:27 am to chilge1
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:27 am to chilge1
I can guarantee you that the opinion of this entire sports forum combined is more valid than yours. So go start the thread so your arguments can get blown apart or shut the frick up. I posted stats that invalidated your arguments for 10 pages and dumbass rick didn't even read my posts, I'm not trying to sit here and argue with someone who thinks that JJ was comparable to Russell Wilson running because of their 3 cone drills. You're both either family of JJ or delusional or don't understand that a lot of factors go into being a good quarterback, all of which invalidate the fact that Jefferson had an average sophomore season to go on top of the 3 below average statistical season he had otherwise
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Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:29 am to southeasttiger113
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You attempt to explain this away as playing soft rushing defenses and the running backs EXPLODING, against the #58, #117, and #72 rushing defenses. At no point have you tried to explain why the running backs were not able to achieve similar results against defenses who, against the run, ranked #56, #76, #73, #86, in addition to an FCS school.
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Tell it to Nick Saban who made Lee piss his pants and who lost to Jefferson. Why was Jefferson able to be more effective if they had such similar styles of play?
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Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:31 am to Rickdaddy4188
He was top 5 in attempts too. That and the fact that he had more talent around him in his 4 year span is the only reason that he's in the top 6. Do you not understand that there were only 4 people in the history of LSU football who had more attempts to pad their stats? Weren't you arguing that the reason that it's impressive is because he didn't have more attempts than most other QB's who played for LSU?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:33 am to chilge1
Why do you keep posting this you weird fricking troll? Either go start the thread or quit speaking. I'm sorry if you don't have the self confidence to tell the masses when they're wrong and stand up for what you believe in but that's not my problem, get the frick out of this thread until you grow a pair
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:35 am to southeasttiger113
Sorry my facts outweigh your," no he wasnt".
Throughout this entire thread you've given 1 fact ( defensive totals. Which is flawed but at least it isn't biased opinion).
When you're ranking or comparing someone's career, their stats are FACTS regarding their career.
You repeatedly SAYING JJ sucked his entire career isn't backed up by 1 shred of evidence.
You saying Herb Tyler was a far better runner than JJ isn't backed up by shred of evidence.
You using the eyeball test and the "no I saw it " doesn't hold weight.
You saying JJ never had a good completion % isn't backed up by 1 shred of evidence.
You make those claims but FACTS backed up by stats prove you're wrong.
Throughout this entire thread you've given 1 fact ( defensive totals. Which is flawed but at least it isn't biased opinion).
When you're ranking or comparing someone's career, their stats are FACTS regarding their career.
You repeatedly SAYING JJ sucked his entire career isn't backed up by 1 shred of evidence.
You saying Herb Tyler was a far better runner than JJ isn't backed up by shred of evidence.
You using the eyeball test and the "no I saw it " doesn't hold weight.
You saying JJ never had a good completion % isn't backed up by 1 shred of evidence.
You make those claims but FACTS backed up by stats prove you're wrong.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:40 am to Rickdaddy4188
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using the word doesnt give your BS any more credibility.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:42 am to Rickdaddy4188
So me responding to your pointless argument that "Jefferson was good because he's top 6 all time" even though he had more attempts than every QB in LSU history except for 4 isn't posting stats? You're ignoring the stats that I'm posting and repeating your same dumb arse arguments over and over and over, you're a moron. JJ having a shitty career and sucking every single snap are two completely different things, he had an overall SHITTY CAREER
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:43 am to CptBengal
The defense bailed out JJ from way more losses than he should of had.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:44 am to CptBengal
Didn't you hear? If you follow up your personal evaluation of what certain stats imply with "FACTS" then it automatically changes your opinion to fact
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:44 am to southeasttiger113
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was top 5 in attempts too. That and the fact that he had more talent around him in his 4 year span is the only reason that he's in the top 6.
Only 5 qbs in the history of lsu football have a higher compl% than JJ. Your above statement would matter if he had a bad career compl# but he doesnt. Only 5 qbs in the 122 years of lsu football were more accurate throughout their career. Which means JJ was connecting on attempts to garner those rankings.
I'm not even arguing that JJ is top 15 alltime at lsu. I'm saying in no way was he horrible. We finally saw what horrible qb play was last year and JJ was never close to that
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:46 am to southeasttiger113
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Why do you keep posting this you weird fricking troll?
Why do you refuse to answer?
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I'm sorry if you don't have the self confidence to tell the masses when they're wrong and stand up for what you believe in
I did that for three years. Then Jefferson graduated and violated his probation. Then three more years passed. It's no longer a relevant issue.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:48 am to chilge1
We still talk about Bert Jones occasionally, it's definitely still relevant and hindsight is 20/20 so now you should be able to sway even more people
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:50 am to Rickdaddy4188
Did you not see the highlight video that I posted of his arkansas game where nearly every completion was to a wide open receiver running a flat or curl 5 yards downfield? His completion percentage is skewed by the fact that our offense was watered down and he didn't throw harder downfield routes whether you like it or not. You're sitting on his 58% completion percentage because everything else is invalidated by how many attempts he had and his comp % wasn't even good
Posted on 7/14/15 at 11:59 am to southeasttiger113
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you follow up your personal evaluation of what certain stats imply with "FACTS" then it automatically changes your opinion to fact
So it's not a fact that our yards per play went up in november? Is that an interpretation?
One more was 5.19 yards per play and the next was 6.66. That's a fact. Our yards per play went up. I'm not interpreting anything.
It's not a fact that JJ is 6th in career completion %? Am I interpreting that? It's a fact only 5 qbs in over 120 years of lsu football have a higher career compl % than JJ. That's a fact. Not interpretation.
It's not a fact that JJ has better rushing stats than Herb Tyler? JJ has more rushing yards, more yards per game, higher yards per carry. Am.i interpreting those stats? I'm not interpreting that JJ is the single season and career qb rushing record holder. It's a fact.
It's not interpretation that JJ had 110 of our 239 totals yards against #2 Bama. It's a fact that JJ had 46% of our entire offensive output.
It's not and interpretation that JJ had 261 of our 494 yards against #3 arky. It's not an interpretation that JJ had 52% of our entire offensive output against Arky. It's a fact.
You can say what you want but facts prove JJ wasn't this horrible qb his entire career. I know poster on this site don't like him and yeah his attitude was shite at times but JJ gave more to lsu football on a Wednesday during the summer than we ever will. The same goes for Lee. If our entire team had the heart Lee had ( staying at lsu after being thrown to the wolves in 08) we probably wouldn't have lost a game in 2010 & 2011.
Neither qb was great and both had their limitations but neither had a shite career.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:07 pm to southeasttiger113
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how many attempts he had and his comp % wasn't even good
Wow. How many times do I have to say this? In over 120 years of football, 5 qbs have a higher career completion % than JJ. If JJ's compl % wasnt good, then only 5 qbs in lsu history had agood compl%. You do realize that having higher attempts makes it even more impressive that he has a top 6 career completion %, right? Usually the more pass attempts you have the harder it is to keep your completion % up.in no way is 58% compl for a career bad.
In over 120 years of lsu football 4 players have accounted for more total offensive yards (what you like to use).
In over 120 years of lsu football only 4 players have accounted for more tds.
In no way is that a shitty career.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:The fact that you think it had anything to do with Jordan Jefferson is an interpretation. And the fact that you think it's fine to ignore the rest of the season is an interpretation. Congratulations, Jefferson had 2 good games against awful defenses and played the best game of his career against Arkansas. That doesn't mean that his senior year as a whole wasn't shite
So it's not a fact that our yards per play went up in november? Is that an interpretation?
quote:It's an interpretation that a 58% career completion percentage to incredible wide recievers behind a really good line is good enough to offset the fact that he shite the bed in big games, had a terrible attitude, was a terrible field general, and was a huge distraction to the team and got arrested right before his senior year started. All of those things are why people call him a shite QB, they're not just looking at his mediocre stats.
It's a fact only 5 qbs in over 120 years of lsu football have a higher career compl % than JJ. That's a fact. Not interpretation.
quote:It's your interpretation that this means that Jefferson was indisputably a better runner than Herb Tyler
It's not a fact that JJ has better rushing stats than Herb Tyler?
quote:It's your interpretation that it's abnormal in some way for someone who touches the ball every single time the ball is snapped to account for half of our total yards in a game. Hint: most quarterbacks can be linked to 50% or more yards for their offense in any given game. It doesn't change the fact that our offense sucked dick as a whole in that game and it's not an impressive stat
It's not interpretation that JJ had 110 of our 239 totals yards against #2 Bama
quote:Again, this was arguably the best game of his entire career but he still accounted for 50% of our total offense just like every other quarterback in the history of football. It's your interpretation that a 200 yard passing game is ungodly when good quarterbacks do that pretty regularly
It's not and interpretation that JJ had 261 of our 494 yards against #3 arky. It's not an interpretation that JJ had 52% of our entire offensive output against Arky. It's a fact.
quote:Agree to disagree. You're not going to convince me that someone who had slightly below average career stats and was a huge distraction off the field, a terrible leader on the field, had a shite attitude, and just didn't do the things that a good or even average QB needs to do wasn't a bad QB. Sorry man, you're wasting your time
You can say what you want but facts prove JJ wasn't this horrible qb his entire career
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:13 pm to southeasttiger113
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southeasttiger113
What's your other ID you post under on the Rant? No one here 4 yrs. with your kinda emotional take only has 800 post in 4 yrs.
JJ wasn't a "bad" QB and neither was JL. They both were mediocre SEC QBs who both had their highs and lows.
I wonder if we can ever have a QB discussion on the Rant that doesn't break down to a JJ/JL bitch fest?
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We still talk about Bert Jones occasionally
Your idea of "occasionally" must be a lot different than my idea of "occasionally" cause I almost never hear of Bert if not for best of all time stuff
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Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Not when 90% of your attempts are 5-15 yard slants, flats, and curls to wide open future-NFL wideouts while you're standing behind a very good line. He consistently attempted the easiest throws on the field to guys who were wide open while he had a lot of time. 58% isn't good under those circumstances. He had a ton of advantages that our other QB's didn't have
You do realize that having higher attempts makes it even more impressive that he has a top 6 career completion %, right?
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:20 pm to southeasttiger113
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We still talk about Bert Jones occasionally, it's definitely still relevant
Then you start the thread about how Jefferson was shite his entire career and explain its relevance to the Admins when the thread gets anchored or whacked.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 12:20 pm to southeasttiger113
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Not when 90% of your attempts are 5-15 yard slants, flats, and curls to wide open future-NFL wideouts while you're standing behind a very
If he threw such easy passes why is his YARDS PER Attempt higher than Flynn's? Yards per attempt rules out the 5-10 yard passes.
Flynn's yards per attempt 6.7
JJ'S career yards per attempt 7.0
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Again, this was arguably the best game of his entire career but he still accounted for 50% of our total offense just like every other quarterback in the history of football.
WRong.
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Agree to disagree. You're not going to convince me that someone who had slightly below average career stat
Below average? Holy shite.
Only 4 lsu players have accounted for pretty total offense.
1. Tommy Hodson 8,938 yards
2.Jeff Wickersham 6,705 yards
3.JaMarcus Russell 6,704 yards
4.Herb Tyler 6,654 yards
5.Jordan Jefferson 5,751 yards
Only 4 players in lsu history have accounted for more total tds.
1.Tommy Hodson 71tds
2.Herb Tyler 63tds
3.JaMarcus Russell 56tds
4.Kevin Faulk 47tds
5.Jordan Jefferson 46tds
In what reality are those career stats below average?
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 12:25 pm
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