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re: All we need is good QB play right?

Posted on 7/13/15 at 6:21 pm to
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

Just because something is a fact it doesn't make it relevant 



Yes it does when it directly proves a statement.

He says our offense got worse under JJ in 2011.
That's false. Our yards per play increased from 5.19 yards per play to 6.65 yards per play.

He says Herb Tyler was more of a running threat than JJ.
That's False. JJ is the single season and career qb rushing record holder. his yards per carry are also higher than HT'S

He says JJ never had a good compl%.
That's False. JJ has the 6th highest compl % in lsu history.
He says JJ being ranked top 6 in every major passing statistic isn't impressive because LSU isn't known for producing good qbs.
This is false. since 1970 no sec program has had more qbs drafted than LSU

The facts I've stated are very relevant and disprove his dumb opinions.
quote:

He might fall into the top 6 statistically but that doesn't mean that he's a top 6 QB.


I never said it did. I just stated that you can't suck your entire career and be top 6 in every major passing statistic at a top 15 alltime program.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 6:23 pm
Posted by Sandy_Ash
Member since Feb 2015
1162 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 6:26 pm to
Not reading 23 pages, if LSU is undefeated after 4 games, then let's start talking play offs.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 6:27 pm to
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It's also irrelevant. Because as soon as he became the starter the competition took an absolute nose dive.


Right because he didn't play far more snaps against Bama than Lee and his ability to run the option didn't help tremendously to win the game. JJ was directly responsible for 110 of our 239 total yards against bama. He was 46% of our total offense.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 6:32 pm to
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Rickdaddy loves him some JJ


I really dont. Stating facts about someone career is called reality.
I've repeatedly said JLEE shouldve remained the starter but this notion that JJ was a horrible qb is bullshite.
And when lsu fans say JJ was horrible his entire career you're shitting on lsu's history. How can qb that was always horrible be top 6 in every major passing statistic at a top 15 alltime program.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 6:43 pm to
Not one of you have used any kind of stats or facts except defensive totals rankings. Not one of you has shown any stat that PROVES our offense got worse under JJ, why because there is none.the only time our offense struggled with JJ was against 2 top 5 teams.


The arguments in this thread have gone like this:
JJ sucked his entire career.
Not really. statistically he is one of the better qbs. but yeah he was slightly above average at his best.
Our offense got worse once JJ became the starter.
not really. there is no offensive stat that shows our offense getting worse under JJ. the only thing to drop off was pass attempts. not the success of a passing play. we know this because JLEE'S yards per pass was 7.8 and JJ'S yards per pass was 7.4. if JJ had thrown the ball as much as JLEE their yardage diff is 70 yards.
JJ never had a good completion %.
actually only 5 qbs in the history of lsu football have a higher career compl %.

JJ padded stats against weak opponents in November.
actually he had 46 % of our entire offensive output against #2 Bama and he had (52%)261 yards of our 494 total yards against #3 arky
All the italicized sentences are facts that are very relevant to the convo.
I'll take my facts over your biased opinion any day.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 6:54 pm
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:49 pm to
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Our yards per play increased from 5.19 yards per play to 6.65 yards per play.
I know for a fricking fact that we didn't have 6.65 yards per play if you factor in both Alabama games and Georgia. You're full of shite
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He says Herb Tyler was more of a running threat than JJ.
That's False. JJ is the single season and career qb rushing record holder. his yards per carry are also higher than HT'S
Someone please explain to this dumbass that Herb Tyler was 1000x more athletic than Jordan Jefferson
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That's False. JJ has the 6th highest compl % in lsu history.
Marcus Randall had a 62% completion percentage in 2004 which puts him at the 7th best all time single season. It's also a higher percentage than Jefferson ever obtained. Does this make Marcus Randall good?
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He says JJ being ranked top 6 in every major passing statistic isn't impressive because LSU isn't known for producing good qbs.
This is false. since 1970 no sec program has had more qbs drafted than LSU
He's also 5th all time in attempts. There goes your argument of him not getting more reps than the average LSU quarterback
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 8:51 pm
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:55 pm to
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JJ padded stats against weak opponents in November. actually he had 46 % of our entire offensive output against #2 Bama
A whopping 67 yards passing and 43 yards rushing!
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:02 pm to
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Someone please explain to this dumbass that Herb Tyler was 1000x more athletic than Jordan Jefferson


That's doesn't make him a more successful runner. JJ has better stats any way you look at. Yards per carry- JJ
Total yards - JJ
Yards per game - JJ
Being more athletic doesn't mean you're a more successful rb.
Sorry it doesn't.

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Marcus Randall had a 62% completion percentage in 2004 which puts him at the 7th best all time single season. It's also a higher percentage than Jefferson ever obtained. Does this make Marcus Randall good



at no point was the compl % supposed to decide if a qb was good.
You said JJ never had a good completion %.
WHICH IS FALSE.
You can even remember your own damn arguments.

You take the facts I respond with and apply it to some off the wall bullshite.
I never once said having a good compl % means JJ is a good qb.
I said JJ did have a good completion %. Which he did because only 5 qb in the history of lsu football have a higher career compl %.
How hard is it for you to understand that?
Let me tell one last time.
There are no statistics(FACTS) that say Herb Tyler was better running qb than JJ.

You have nothing to support that claim besides," trust me Herb was better" and we've already established that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to lsu football history or the game of football itself.
You've posted zero facts to support your claim except defensive totals. 4 diff poster have told you, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:03 pm to
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whopping 67 yards passing and 43 yards rushing! 


It's more than any other player on our offense dumbass.if JJ sucked that game then our entire offense sucked because JJ had 46% of our entire offensive output. Get a clue. Let me know how the fat superior passer (jlee) did in that game. 27 yards and 2 ints? Yeah
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 9:07 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

know for a fricking fact that we didn't have 6.65 yards per play if you factor in both Alabama games and Georgia. You're full of shite


We are talking about the month of November. Again remember your own fricking argument.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:12 pm to
I've never seen a poster have so many ignorant posts in a thread and yet still be getting destroyed.
You have changed your argument every time i hand you your arse.

Herb tyler played behind a God awful line. I show you 3 all sec olineman and you say," no I was talking about his senior year".

You say JJ'S career rankings don't mean anything because lsu doesn't produce good qbs.
I show you facts saying that lsu has had more qbs drafted than any sec program since 1970.
Then you say," well JJ wasnt one of them".
4 different poster have said you were a retard and that you don't understand common knowledge football.

While the only people remotely on your side is a powerman.

I'm seriously done. The next time you try to argue on here do a little research and use facts before you open your dick sucker and look like a fool. Your argument of ," na I saw it" doesn't fly with grown ups.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 9:15 pm
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:44 pm to
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That's doesn't make him a more successful runner. JJ has better stats any way you look at. Yards per carry- JJ
Total yards - JJ
Yards per game - JJ
Being more athletic doesn't mean you're a more successful rb.
Sorry it doesn't.
I never claimed that Herb Tyler had better stats, I said that he was a better runner and he was. Are you sucking off all of the statistics professors at your local college in your free time or something? They really don't tell the whole story in any way shape or form in the way you're presenting them
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at no point was the compl % supposed to decide if a qb was good.
Isn't this entire discussion based on us debating whether or not JJ was a bad quarterback? He was, and I'm pointing out why the irrelevant stats you keep shoving down my throat don't matter. And FYI a 61% completion percentage over the course of a season is average at best and not even in the top 10 all time at LSU, so yea, he never had a "good" completion percentage
quote:

There are no statistics(FACTS) that say Herb Tyler was better running qb than JJ.
Who cares? Everyone knows that he was reard
quote:

You've posted zero facts to support your claim except defensive totals
and you're delusional if you disagree. There's no way to measure how agile, elusive, or quick someone is and you'd think that you'd understand that with your deep understanding of the game of football
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

It's more than any other player on our offense dumbass.if JJ sucked that game then our entire offense sucked because JJ had 46% of our entire offensive output. Get a clue. Let me know how the fat superior passer (jlee) did in that game. 27 yards and 2 ints? Yeah
yea having a quarterback that can't complete a pass for more than 5 yards couldn't have put any unnecessary pressure on the RB's when Bama put 9 in the box every play. You don't understand football at all which is why your insecure arse keeps saying that I don't when I have a much better understanding of it than you. Anyone that clings to stats as much as you do has never played a sport in their life
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:47 pm to
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We are talking about the month of November. Again remember your own fricking argument.
What the frick does the month of november have to do with absolutely anything? It's a random arse parameter that you and your idiot friends put up so you could avoid talking about December and January when JJ averaged 40 yards passing and 7.5 yards rushing per game
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:50 pm to
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While the only people remotely on your side is a powerman.
Really? Check the first page there, supergenius. The first person that implied that Jefferson should've played over Lee got 6 upvotes and 26 downvotes. Everyone knows that he sucks except the 4 teetotal morons that are congregating in this thread
Posted by irnfan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2013
1442 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:52 pm to
It amazes me how traumatized so many LSU fans still are from that season. It keeps coming up over and over with such powerful emotions, similar to what you'd expect from victims of a violent crime. It's as if half our fan base needs therapy to get over that season and why so many have major trust issue in our coaches with our quarterbacks.

I guess it helps some people to keep talking about it, but I wish we could just leave all of that baggage behind and never bring it up again. Hopefully with significant improvement in quarterback play now and with Franks coming in the future, we can work past our post traumatic season disorder.
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:52 pm to
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This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 1:20 am
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
8313 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

I'm seriously done



Seriously? For real?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
215992 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 11:30 pm to
quote:

know for a fricking fact that we didn't have 6.65 yards per play if you factor in both Alabama games and Georgia. You're full of shite



quote:

We are talking about the month of November





Right we are talking about the whole month of November....Ole Miss and WKU were in November. Two of the worst teams in the country...Those two games make his stats look better than they really are...


I notice that you have not brought those games up....GEE I wonder why????
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47984 posts
Posted on 7/14/15 at 5:23 am to
quote:

There's no way to measure how agile, elusive, or quick someone is and you'd think that you'd understand that with your deep understanding of the game of football





Actually there is. 3 cone drill and 40 yard dash. You'd think with your deep knowledge of being wrong this entire thread you'd know that
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