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re: Alex Lange yet to sign with Cubs
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:09 pm to DeathValley85
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:09 pm to DeathValley85
How have we fared with the drafted hs recruits?
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:22 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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There is at least one person here who would argue that he would benefit greatly by returning to play baseball for LSU as a senior.
Same person also believes Alan Dunn is a very overrated pitching coach and CPM can't coach himself out of a wet paper bag but some how every player would benefit by coming back and learning from these two another year. Some how that logic works in some people's mind.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:31 pm to 777Tiger
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as a returning senior, it would greatly reduce his leverage
If he makes them believe that he wants to return to college, the he has all the leverage. Cubs fans would be pissed if they wasted a 1st round pick because they wouldn't pay him his fair share.
The cubs aren't that stupid to let him walk, but he could still return and make a good living after next year.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:33 pm to BIWO
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The cubs aren't that stupid to let him walk, but he could still return and make a good living after next year.
his offer would be less, like millions less, the teams stance after his eligibility is out would be to take it or leave it, where else can you go? he'll sign
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:35 pm to 777Tiger
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as a returning senior, it would greatly reduce his leverage, and the Cubs know this, there's just something about pro sports owners getting carried away with giving out money to prospects
If this is true then he doesn't have leverage now either because the alternative to signing now is to go into the situation you say will lower his leverage
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:37 pm to 777Tiger
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his offer would be less, like millions less, the teams stance after his eligibility is out would be to take it or leave it, he'll sign
So a senior drafted in the exact same spot gets offered less?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:39 pm to LSShoe1030
If he signs we can talk about what an awesome QB he could have been.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If this is true then he doesn't have leverage now either because the alternative to signing now is to go into the situation you say will lower his leverage
the ML team doesn't want to lose out on a #1 pick, and they damn sure don't want to let the college coaches use up his arm any more if they think they'll end up with him, as I said in my post that you copied, pro team owners, that were apparently shrewd business men to get to the point to where they could afford to buy a team, do really stupid things with their $ once they get the team
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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as a returning senior, it would greatly reduce his leverage, and the Cubs know this, there's just something about pro sports owners getting carried away with giving out money to prospects
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If this is true then he doesn't have leverage now either because the alternative to signing now is to go into the situation you say will lower his leverage
The first statement is true. He has leverage this season, and has zero leverage next season. He is probably trying to find a number that works for him and for the Cubs organization at this point.
If he comes back next season he might get drafted in the top 10 and make well over a million less because of it.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:44 pm to 777Tiger
Obviously many of you haven't followed the cubs pitching woes so far this year... They need some more young arms in the system big time, no way they let him walk!
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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So a senior drafted in the exact same spot gets offered less?
historically, yes
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:45 pm to Da Hammer
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, no way they let him walk!
agreed
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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So a senior drafted in the exact same spot gets offered less?
Yes....millions less.
Look at the money non seniors are signing for in round 10....and then compare that to what seniors are getting in round 5. The 10th rounders will be getting more money in most cases.
The MLB draft is MUCH MUCH different than the NBA and NFL drafts.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:53 pm to Char Aznable
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I know one year LSU had a guy(think it was ranaudo) who signed like right at the deadline. It was so close people thougt he was coming back.
It was Gausman. he waited until a couple of hours before the deadline to sign. Ranaudo went to the cape for a few weeks because he'd been hurt in the first half of 2010 and wanted to show he was back to 100%
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:55 pm to DeathValley85
quote:This thread was created about Poche last year.
Every year this thread gets created and every year it's silly.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:56 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If this is true then he doesn't have leverage now either because the alternative to signing now is to go into the situation you say will lower his leverage
he doesn't have the leverage of a draft eligible or redshirt sophomore, but he has plenty of leverage as a 1st round pick because the Cubs would lose that slot money this year if they are unable to sign him. if you don't sign a top 10 round pick, you lose that slot value in your total pool of money that can be used for signing bonuses.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:56 pm to Solo Cam
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This thread was created about Poche last year.
Was he drafted in the first round?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:59 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Well that's fricked up. Do guys go play independent or say they will re enter the draft next year?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:00 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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So a senior drafted in the exact same spot gets offered less?
look at Freeman for sort of an example(4th round,) not saying that $340k is chicken feed, but in the world of professional sports it's chicken feed, zero leverage
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:01 pm to lsufball19
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doesn't have the leverage of a draft eligible or redshirt sophomore, but he has plenty of leverage as a 1st round pick because the Cubs would lose that slot money this year if they are unable to sign him. if you don't sign a top 10 round pick, you lose that slot value in your total pool of money that can be used for signing bonuses
Gotcha. I actually thought about it after posting and realized that a junior at least has the OPTION to return and a senior has no option. So eveb if it's a small amount of leverage its at least more than a senior.
The mlb draft is by far the most complex right?
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 3:03 pm
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