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re: Alex Bregman's twitter rant
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:36 pm to lsu2006
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:36 pm to lsu2006
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Don't waste Mr. Fitt's time with your LSU bias.
Please tell me why a player was chosen for those awards over a player who slugged better, got on base more, stole double the amount of bases, had a roughly equivalent BA (.368/.369) and played better D. What else explains it?
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:37 pm to Moustache
quote:HUH? A foundation headquartered in Lubbock, TX favors LSU over North Carolina?
In that case I wonder why the College Baseball Foundation gave the Brooks Wallace Award to Bregman and not to Turner?
The same reason ND and Bama and USC get more all americans and individual awards in CFB.
I don't understand your logic on that.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:37 pm to lsu2006
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I just think it's extremely early to say with certainty that Bregman will have to slide to 2B at the next level and for sure won't be a top-5 pick. He's played 1 season + 3 weeks.
It's pretty clear he doesn't have the range MLB scouts look for at SS. That's a god-given gift. I'm not taking anything away from Bregman as being a great player, but 2b don't go top 5 unless they hit like Kris Bryant, which Bregman does not.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:39 pm to Moustache
I was just fricking with you, man. You've raised plenty of good points.
I'm just not ready to say with certainty that Bregman won't wind up in a similar position of Turner this time next year, based on comparing stats of a sophomore and a freshman.
I'm just not ready to say with certainty that Bregman won't wind up in a similar position of Turner this time next year, based on comparing stats of a sophomore and a freshman.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:40 pm to Moustache
I've agreed with everything you have said in this thread with the exception of 2 things. "Turner is far superior" is an obvious overstatement, and the other is that Bregman will go late 1st round while Turner will go top 5. You have no way to know that at all, especially considering Bregman is a year younger and playing at near the same level.
I do agree Turner was the best SS in the country last year. This year remains to be seen though. We have 50-60 games left.
I do agree Turner was the best SS in the country last year. This year remains to be seen though. We have 50-60 games left.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:40 pm to Moustache
Points like yours, which are extremely valid IMO, are just want I want Bregman to read before each game. So this thread is a success as far as I'm concerned.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:40 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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I'm certainly not trying to jump in an argument about who is better, I just think Bregman's ceiling could be higher in another year and a half than it is today.
Maybe it's early, but it's incredibly difficult to be born with the range necessary to play SS at the MLB level. If Bregman had that type of range, teams would've been looking to draft him out of HS at SS. But they were going for C and 2B out of HS. Lots of college SS make the move over (Kinsler, Pedroia, Hill).
It's doesn't mean they're not great players. Bregman could have a ceiling of a Dustin Pedroia. I think his floor is pretty high considering his bat. His floor is probably Todd Walker in the MLB, which is nothing to be ashamed of. But, he won't go top 5 because he won't stick at SS.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:42 pm to King of New Orleans
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@ABREG_1: Not enough people treat baseball like war anymore. You gotta play the game for the guy next to you. It ain't a showcase, it's about winning.
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@ABREG_1: To many people feel entitled.You gotta earn it. It separates you from the pack. Just like winning separates the greats from the greatest.
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@ABREG_1: Where is that blue collar guy that busts his a$$ and hates the other team. WHERE'S THE GUY THAT GRINDS EVERY AB AND LIVES PITCH 2 PITCH
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@ABREG_1: Sorry about the rant. Goodnight y'all.
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@ABREG_1: One more thing, if you really want it... You better be waking up thinking about it and going to bed thinking about it... PERIOD.
GOAT Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:42 pm to LSURussian
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HUH? A foundation headquartered in Lubbock, TX favors LSU over North Carolina?
I don't understand your logic on that.
LSU as a program is > than NC St. Pretty simple. So when an award comes up between two similar players (BA wise), they would just go with the more well known school. I have no proof of that, I just don't see where the stats justify it and I believe that could've been a factor. Maybe it wasn't. I don't know.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:43 pm to Moustache
Bergman works his tail off. As LSU fans, we should be so lucky that every LSU student athlete had Bregman's work ethic.
The kid is obviously seeing some dudes lollygagging, or else he wouldn't be frustrated. Hopefully, he can light a fire underneath any player who is in need of a little "motivation."
I especially commend Bregman for being so committed, because it's usually guys that fit his profile who are either the "me first" types or the prima donas. Hotshot high school phenom, out of state guy who didn't exactly grow up bleeding purple & gold.....but, he's probably the hardest working player on the team.
I'm glad he's an LSU Tiger thru 2015
The kid is obviously seeing some dudes lollygagging, or else he wouldn't be frustrated. Hopefully, he can light a fire underneath any player who is in need of a little "motivation."
I especially commend Bregman for being so committed, because it's usually guys that fit his profile who are either the "me first" types or the prima donas. Hotshot high school phenom, out of state guy who didn't exactly grow up bleeding purple & gold.....but, he's probably the hardest working player on the team.
I'm glad he's an LSU Tiger thru 2015
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:45 pm to AstroTiger
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ve agreed with everything you have said in this thread with the exception of 2 things. "Turner is far superior" is an obvious overstatement, and the other is that Bregman will go late 1st round while Turner will go top 5. You have no way to know that at all, especially considering Bregman is a year younger and playing at near the same level.
I do agree Turner was the best SS in the country last year. This year remains to be seen though. We have 50-60 games left.
When it comes to the MLB draft, tools really matter more than production. That's not to say production doesn't matter.
Turner has much greater range and a much stronger arm than Bregman. Bregman's bat may indeed be better than Turner's. They have different games. Turner is a burner with surprising pop. (he had more HRs than Bregs last year) Bregman is more a doubles hitter with decent pop (think Pedroia or Aaron Hill). Bregs runs decent, but nothing special. His D is not all special either. That's why I said Turner is the superior SS, not player.
As of now, anything can happen, but Turner is probably going top 5. I don't know for sure that Bregs won't, but I am pretty confident saying Turner will go higher than Bregman in their respective drafts due to athleticism differences and positional importance.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:47 pm to Moustache
Who cares where he plays at the next level, the kids gonna be a good one.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:47 pm to Moustache
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When it comes to the MLB draft, tools really matter more than production.
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As of now, anything can happen, but Turner is probably going top 5. I don't know for sure that Bregs won't, but I am pretty confident saying Turner will go higher than Bregman in their respective drafts due to athleticism differences and positional importance.
Spot on. Really don't see how anyone could argue this.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:48 pm to Moustache
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LSU as a program is > than NC St. Pretty simple. So when an award comes up between two similar players (BA wise), they would just go with the more well known school.
well, its also tougher competition, and Bregman was also a freshman.
Even if we want to say he was the 2nd best SS in the nation last year, as a freshman, my point losses no steam. I cant believe he is being bashed for what he said.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:48 pm to Broham
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Who cares where he plays at the next level, the kids gonna be a good one.
I agree. I'm just defending myself because people were kind of giving me shite about it when they obviously don't follow MLB.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:50 pm to Lester Earl
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I cant believe he is being bashed for what he said.
Simple answer - because it is the Rant. Retards on here lack basic reading comprehension skills and everything that a player, coach or analyst says is interpreted into Rantism and then said player, coach or analyst is bashed for it.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:52 pm to Moustache
I know Bregman projects as a 2nd baseman. That doesn't completely diminish his draft stock, nor does it mean that pro scouts won't like Bregman more than Turner on draft day. That may be your opinion, but I'll let the rest of their college careers play out before I make that call. Bregs gets an entire additional year to improve. Turner's speed can't be ignored though.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:52 pm to Lester Earl
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well, its also tougher competition, and Bregman was also a freshman.
True. If you're arguing bat alone, I trust Bregman's bat to be at Aaron Hill/Dustin Pedroia levels at his ceiling and Trea Turner's ceiling to be more along the lines of Elvis Andrus with a little more pop.
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Even if we want to say he was the 2nd best SS in the nation last year, as a freshman, my point losses no steam. I cant believe he is being bashed for what he said.
I agree. Only LSU fans could find a way to dislike a freshman who bats over .360 at a premium position.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:52 pm to lsu2006
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I'm just not ready to say with certainty that Bregman won't wind up in a similar position of Turner this time next year, based on comparing stats of a sophomore and a freshman.
so far
Bregman 389/511/528 19 total bases
Turner 366/440/390 16 total bases (15 singles)
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:56 pm to AstroTiger
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I know Bregman projects as a 2nd baseman. That doesn't completely diminish his draft stock
No, of course not. But a 2B from college has never gone top 5 to my knowledge. The only way Bregs goes top 5 next year is if he shows he can bop about 18-20 HRs while hitting .360.
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pro scouts won't like Bregman more than Turner on draft day
Unless Turner completely falls off and fails to hit .290, which is unlikely based on past results, I doubt many scouts would pass up on a SS with his speed and athleticism. If a team thinks they can develop his bat to be MLB ready, they'll take him in a heart beat. If his bat develops, his ceiling is All-star potential.
Honestly though, I believe Bregs will have a more successful and longer career.
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