re: Advocate Article on J. Lee...

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In a spring game in which both offenses ran the ball extremely well, which QB was more effective?

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Lee.


But I am not about to let one afternoon trump a year and half of actual play.

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But I am not about to let one afternoon trump a year and half of actual play.

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And I would not expect you too. JJ and JL have both shown signs of brillance. I just hope we manage them well this year.

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can we stop blaming him for all of those

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Ok, lets take away 3.

I get the TEAM wins or loses idea and I agree, but the guy with the ball in his hands makes the on field decisions as to if or when he releases the ball.

And lets remember, the O members stopped 9 from going all the way back.

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Ok, lets take away 3

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We've actually broken this down as well and I think two was the number that we could say the offensive players definitely had an opportunity to tackle the defender.

Three were five interception for touchdowns where absolutely no one could have tackled the defender - AU, both Gamble INTs from GA, Tulane, and the Spikes INT at Flordia.


I looked it up - here was the break down:

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So let's be fair to all parties involved and list them.

Interception #1:

Gabe McKenzie, Auburn. The interception was on a swing pass at mid-field. No one touched McKenzie in the 24 yards on the way to the endzone. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.

Interception #2:

Brandon Spike, Florida. The interception was thrown underneath on what looks to be a slant route. McKenize picked and scampered 52 yards untouched to the endzone. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.

Interception #3:

Daryl Gamble, Georgia. Much like Spikes, Gamble intercepted the ball underneath the coverage and ran 40 yards untouched for a TD. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.

Interception #4:

Daryl Gamble, Georgia. Pretty poorly under-thrown ball. Gamble cuts underneath the route and scampers untouched for 53 yards and a score. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.

Interception #5:

Travis Burks, Tulane. This is a deeper ball, but it's thrown underneath all the routes (another magnificent play call by Mr. Wizard running everyone deep with no drop off route.) Again, the defender runs 43 yards untouched into the endzone. You can't blame that on the rest of the offense, but you can toss some blame on Crowton's incredible inept play calling.)

Interception #6:

Rashad Johnson, Alabama. Much like the Tulane interception, this ball was thrown about 15 yards in the middle of the field. Most the receivers were past the point of interception. However, Johnson had to make a few people miss and Lafell chased him down inside the five right before Johnson scored. Total yardage was 53. First LSU contact came after about 40 yards. We'll say some of that is on the offense.

Interception #7

Terrance Moore, Troy. 22 yard return for touchdown. I can't find video of it anywhere on the internet and I don't really remember what happened. So will give Lee the benefit of the doubt and say the offense could/should have tackled him.


So of the seven interceptions returned for touchdowns, five them occurred in such a manner that no offensive player could have even laid a hand on the defender. Plus, these five account for 212 of the 287 return yards.

On these interceptions, no one even touched the defensive player. You really can't blame the rest of the offense for that.

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Your problem is that you spend the majority of your time on here trying to sell this BS theory that Jordan Jefferson is clearly superior to Jarrett Lee.

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That’s probably because it is more than just a little obvious. Hell, even JL readily admits that he stunk it up big time last year when he had an opportunity to prove himself, and no one except possibly you would call his first season anything other than an unmitigated disaster.

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I dont believe that and IMO the majority of LSU fans dont believe it either.

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You’ve not only have proven yourself to be delusional, but you’ve also just demonstrated that you are completely out of your mind.

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The time for blaming JJ's shortcomings on rbs, oline, youth and coaching is quickly coming to an end.

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Watch JL’s games the past two seasons and please explain his 16 interceptions with a new NCAA record 7 pick sixes in only 8 games and his 2 beyond pathetic performances against Bama and LA Tech last season. Sure, JJ played like a first year quarterback last season, probably because he was a first year quarterback, but at least he didn’t totally self-destruct like JL did.

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I have a fantastic life. This was an awful cruel comment.

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I do apologize.

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I'm just a realist and don't get overemotional when trying to rationalize things.

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Not sure where I was overemotional.

A majority of pessimist rationalize their view by calling themselves "realist."

"Realistically", at heart, you are probably a pessimist.

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Your problem is that you spend the majority of your time on here trying to sell this BS theory that Jordan Jefferson is clearly superior to Jarrett Lee.

I dont believe that and IMO the majority of LSU fans dont believe it either.
with that said, it doesnt translate that JL should be starting over JJ.

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I think the vast majority of fans and the coaches feel that JJ is better than Lee.

It doesn't mean they think JJ is a superior QB when compared to others - just to JL.

What happened in JL's freshman year happens to a lot of guys put into that position (just not to that exact extent with the pick 6s). That's in the past and people were ready to give him another shot in the La. Tech game. He played almost the whole 2nd half against a tough Bama team and although he didn't look very good, it's not like he came in without any snaps before La Tech. Nobody expected anything out of him against Bama because that was a tough situation. And he looked okay when he first got in there, but then struggled toward the end.

When you're a backup, you have to cash in on every opportunity when you play. Remember, JJ played well at Bama before getting hurt. JL started and we all know it went bad. Tech was beating us at half and within 4 points in the 4th quarter. We only had 7 completions in the game and 105 yards passing. Considering the competition, it was easily the worst our passing game looked last year. You can see some of the problems in that game in this clip:
La. Tech issues

So we can only judge Lee last year based on his significant playing time in two games. Obviously, anyone would agree that it wasn't good. It was worse than the alternative.

The only other games we can judge him on were in his freshman year. He did have some good games then, but some people are totally having memory issues.

Lee hasn't had a solid game in at least his last six starts. Basically, the performances were really bad too.

He had a bad performance against Tech, Ole Miss (before he got hurt it was 21-0), Troy (had a good 4th quarter), Alabama, Tulane and Georgia. He was okay against South Carolina, but didn't have any TDs and threw an Int. that wasn't taken all the way back, but did go 40+ yards. Against Florida he had 2 TDs and 2 Ints. (one pick 6). That was a tough situation though.

I'd say his last solid outing was against State in Sept. of 2008. Someone mentioned that with JL, you can experience the highest of highs. That was a long time ago. That hasn't been the recent experience at all.

When Lee got hurt in the Ole Miss game, JJ came in and threw a TD in a few minutes when we had been shut out prior to that. When you get a chance, you have to at least show some potential. Lee did it when he got in against Auburn, but shortly after the spark seemed to disappear.

It's not that people won't give him a chance or don't want to see him succeed. He just hasn't performed well recently in game situations. That's IT.

I hope that if we need him this year, his Jr. year will show a lot of growth (it does for a lot of people). I admire his mental toughness.

But JJ is the starter and the coaches have said that. He hasn't set the world on fire, but he's been decent. If he wouldn't have gotten hurt against Bama...who knows what might have happened?

Let's see what he can do if he has a running game behind him. Our running game SUCKED last year. I don't care what anyone says. And it wasn't just because of the QB. In five games when JJ threw for over 200 yards last year, we averaged 1 yard per carry in three of them. In the other two, we didn't even average 4 yards per carry.

LSU was 21-0 against ULL going into last year's game winning by an average of 46-1. We didn't even sniff a 100-yard rusher or average 5 yards per carry. Meanwhile, ULM had a 100-yard rusher against them and a higher average running the ball. With the talent we have compared to them, we should have been able to go out there without a QB and still racked up over 200 yards rushing. It wasn't always about teams stacking the box because we couldn't throw. It was about us not being able to run regardless of circumstances in most cases.

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lol at crowton calling the option with lee running it

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Lee does the same thing Jefferson does on the option. I'm really starting to think that either no one one the coaching staff has shown them the correct way to run the option, or someone is teaching it incorrectly.