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re: A QB Who Can Run Will Cause RBs to Be More Productive
Posted on 10/1/11 at 11:52 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
Posted on 10/1/11 at 11:52 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Did you check JJ stats or team stats?
I checked LSU's passing YPG. It's about 20 higher this season
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Posted on 10/1/11 at 11:54 pm to just me
quote:
The month of October 2010 is not behind him?
Well his first five games of the year aren't behind him and he really sucked in them so he should prolly sit 4 more.
Posted on 10/1/11 at 11:56 pm to Geaux2002
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It's actually only 21.4 more yards/game passing this season, but there have been more drops this year.
Used cal. 41 yard per game and Qb rating 30 points better.
Posted on 10/1/11 at 11:56 pm to Ryno_Kill
quote:Want to try that again?
Well his first five games of the year aren't behind him and he really sucked in them so he should prolly sit 4 more.
The first five games of the year are behind the entire team.
Jefferson didn't play in the first four games, and his play in the fifth game was pretty damn good: 1 carry for a TD, three other carries for 28 yards.
Posted on 10/1/11 at 11:59 pm to just me
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The first five games of the year are behind the entire team.
I must be missing something wasn't he suspended? And I don't really believe that I was showing how stupid your cherry picking was in this thread.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:00 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
Damnit, man let me show you the calculation.
2010: 2023 passing yards, 13 games = 155.6 passing YPG
2011: 885 passing yards, 5 games = 177.0 passing YPG
177.0 - 155.6 = 21.4 passing YPG more in 2011 than in 2010.
And yes I used a calculator, too. You think we pen and paper this shite?
2010: 2023 passing yards, 13 games = 155.6 passing YPG
2011: 885 passing yards, 5 games = 177.0 passing YPG
177.0 - 155.6 = 21.4 passing YPG more in 2011 than in 2010.
And yes I used a calculator, too. You think we pen and paper this shite?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:00 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
quote:Check your math again. It's not close to 50 yards per game.
I did quick math but a little over 50 more yds per game. though Lee didn't play much in the last half on the ULM game.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:04 am to just me
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You honestly believe that Ridley was that much of a better runner than Ware or Ford?
Honestly? Yes. I think both guys are great, but Ridley was playing great last season. Both of those guys may turn out better though.
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So you're saying a running QB helps a team to gain more rushing yards. Isn't that the point of the OP?
If you are just looking at total rushing yards or yards/carry for the team? Yes. Are you including JJ's rushing stats in those figures? If so, we aren't looking at that, we are looking at a running game.
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LSU had more running plays in September 2011 than it had in September, October, or November of 2010. However, it had more yards per carry in each month of 2010 than it had in September 2011.
Yup, and Les is basically calling the offensive style now. It's an offense that isn't going to put up big yardage and is completely predicttble. Today's game was a perfect example in the 4th quarter and end of the first half. We also used Shep more, particularly in the beginning of last season and he averaged 7+ ypc. This season Shep has 2 attempts. We haven't run a lot of the sweep option plays. We've also had stupid playcalls like trying to run JC Copeland and played a tougher 5 game stretch than the last 5 games last season.
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I compared the whole year. I also compared Jefferson's last five games and Lee's last five games. Remember, defenses get better too.
Really? Defenses get better? Ole Miss had one of the worst defenses in college football last year. What about ULM? Arkansas? A&M? Bama's defense wasn't that great last year. It was good but not like their defenses have been.
In the end, LSU is running a traditional offense, which will result in less ypc. Last year they ran a spread offense that helped that number a bit.
Let's see if JJ can even throw the ball before claiming he's past his issues from last season too.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:04 am to Boh
asswipe jefferson passed for
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2010 118 209 1411 56.5 6.75 75 7 10 18 114.7
2009 182 296 2166 61.5 7.32 58 17 7 34 137.2
2008 36 73 419 49.3 5.74 41 4 1 9 112.9
1411 yards in 13 games
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2010 118 209 1411 56.5 6.75 75 7 10 18 114.7
2009 182 296 2166 61.5 7.32 58 17 7 34 137.2
2008 36 73 419 49.3 5.74 41 4 1 9 112.9
1411 yards in 13 games
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:06 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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How many more yards passing are we averaging this year if any?
This was the post that I responded to by saying "about 20 ypg"
You are wrong about in saying that WE are averaging 50 ypg more this season.
Damn, learn some reading comprehension.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:06 am to just me
While you are correct in your assessment, this is only really true if the QB is a deep threat on the pass as well. The running ability is a nice additional attribute.
JJ's overall passing ability is considerably behind JL.
JJ's overall passing ability is considerably behind JL.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:27 am to Geaux2002
quote:Dude. You said playcalling makes a difference in rushing stats. You said that options help rushing stats. Lee isn't an option running QB. LSU runs better with Jefferson at QB. Let's not quibble.
If you are just looking at total rushing yards or yards/carry for the team? Yes. Are you including JJ's rushing stats in those figures? If so, we aren't looking at that, we are looking at a running game.
quote:And? So why would Lee do better in a that style of offense than Jefferson? Why wouldn't Miles call more option plays if Jefferson was QB?
Yup, and Les is basically calling the offensive style now. It's an offense that isn't going to put up big yardage and is completely predicttble. Today's game was a perfect example in the 4th quarter and end of the first half.
quote:Shep was less than 10% of the rushing offense last year. I don't see his numbers significantly skewing the results this year.
We also used Shep more, particularly in the beginning of last season and he averaged 7+ ypc. This season Shep has 2 attempts. We haven't run a lot of the sweep option plays.
quote:Yes. As the year passes, defenses tend to improve as they accumulate practice and game experience. I certainly think LSU's defense improves over the year.
Really? Defenses get better?
quote:Northwestern and Kentucky?
Ole Miss had one of the worst defenses in college football last year. What about ULM?
quote:Ranked 36th in total defense last year. That's good.
Arkansas?
quote:55th in total defense. That's not bad.
A&M?
quote:Come on. You're kidding, right? They were the 5th ranked team in total defense last year.
Bama's defense wasn't that great last year. It was good but not like their defenses have been.
quote:LSU did not run a spread offense last year.
In the end, LSU is running a traditional offense, which will result in less ypc. Last year they ran a spread offense that helped that number a bit.
quote:We know that Jefferson can throw the ball. We saw him do it well at the end of last year. We heard repeatedly how he had improved this spring and particularly this summer.
Let's see if JJ can even throw the ball before claiming he's past his issues from last season too.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:31 am to just me
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We know that Jefferson can throw the ball. We saw him do it well at the end of last year. We heard repeatedly how he had improved this spring and particularly this summer.
I think consistency is key. Jefferson made some great throws last year but they were vastly outnumbered by his bad ones.
And, in all fairness, we heard that Jefferson was looking good before the 2010 season as well. And what do all the Lee haters usually say about performing well in practice? That it doesn't matter until he does it in the game.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:41 am to just me
and such qb's tend to be hurt much more and don't read defenses that well.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:46 am to Volvagia
quote:Not true.
JJ's overall passing ability is considerably behind JL.
Compare Jefferson's last five games with Lee's last five games. Jefferson has more yards per attempt and a higher completion percentage.
Jefferson
53 of 86 (61.63%) for 788 yards; 9.16 ypa; 5 TDs; 2 Ints
45 rushes for 169 yards (3.76 ypc) 2 TDs
Lee
64 of 108 (59.26%) for 793 yards; 7.34 ypa; 7 TDs; 1 Int
4 rushes for -22 yards (-5.50 ypc) 0 TDs
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:47 am to Boh
quote:Not like we heard this year. Not even close.
we heard that Jefferson was looking good before the 2010 season as well
Posted on 10/2/11 at 12:52 am to just me
quote:
Compare Jefferson's last five games with Lee's last five games.
To bad the season isn't 5 games long.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:16 am to Ryno_Kill
quote:Over their careers at LSU, Jefferson has a higher completion percentage, more yards per attempt, more total yards, more TDs, and fewer Ints.
To bad the season isn't 5 games long.
Jefferson Career
336 for 578 (58.13%); 3996 yards; 6.91 ypa; 28 TDs; 18 Ints
Lee Career
269 for 485 (55.46%); 3267 yards; 6.74 ypa; 23 TDs; 19 Ints
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:20 am to just me
what are you going to do, piss and moan every week when JL gets the majority of the snaps?
Outside of the TD run, i thought it was silly to put JJ in just so he can run when LSU had a decisive lead already.
We all know he can run, how about letting him make a few passes.
Outside of the TD run, i thought it was silly to put JJ in just so he can run when LSU had a decisive lead already.
We all know he can run, how about letting him make a few passes.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:26 am to just me
You miss the point as well. If they don't run the option with Lee,or do the passing with JJ, then they are not going to confuse the defense. The defense will play according to the QB. By the way who says JLee can't run the QB sneak, I believe he is 1/1 for 1st down. 
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