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re: 5 sacks allowed by OL -- are they that bad or is the D that good?

Posted on 8/11/19 at 6:14 pm to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43782 posts
Posted on 8/11/19 at 6:14 pm to
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LSU's o line folded like a cheap tent in 90% of the big games in Les' tenure.


Some things never change.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 8/11/19 at 6:19 pm to
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Watched scrimmage and it was very concerning. Oline really struggled in pass protection.




Not worried. Super Bowl Cregg is on the case.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278009 posts
Posted on 8/11/19 at 7:16 pm to
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Watched scrimmage and it was very concerning. Oline really struggled in pass protection


Who had the sacks & who gave them up?

Which RB got beat. Let’s see if you really saw it
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26579 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:01 am to
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Our perennial weakness reared it's ugly head again yesterday. Should we be concerned? I'll hang up and listen...


Perennial my arse. There's a stat that shows the last time LSU allowed that many negative plays by their OL before 2018 was the 2009 season (that year was hell). In 2014 the OL started bad because of the new OL coach teaching a new blocking scheme. They finished that year pretty good.

2010-2013 was really good ('11 and '13 especially)

2015 and 2016 were excellent

2017 it started to taper off, but it wasn't bad, just average

People look at Bama dominating us as an indicator that the OL was bad, when you can go back to damn near every other game and see us blocking decent enough on pass plays and creating huge lanes on runs.

TL;DR the 2018 season was literally 10 years later to the last time we had a really horrendous OL (2009).
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:04 am to
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People look at Bama dominating us as an indicator that the OL was bad, when you can go back to damn near every other game and see us blocking decent enough on pass plays and creating huge lanes on runs.


SELA was blowing up our line. It was not good.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26579 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:23 am to
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For a while there LSU didn't have one OL drafted he recruited and developed. Choosing to play football in a telephone booth and racking up big rushing numbers doesn't mean you have a dominant or well coached OL.


From 2011 to 2017 drafts

Joe Barksdale
Trai Turner
Vadal Alexander
Ethan Pocic

Will Clapp was his recruit and was drafted the very next year he was fired. La'el Collins was his recruit and wasn't drafted because of "reporters" leaking legal matters that they shouldn't have. Chris Caulk didn't get drafted because of a serious knee injury his year before he declared. Had he not been injured, he was a projected top 2 round draft pick. Herman Johnson wasn't a Les recruit, but spent 4 years on the team with him, and got drafted.

That's 8 players from the 2009-2018 draft classes that were, or should have been drafted but weren't do to circumstances out of their control. Very few schools, hell, very few coaches can claim that in a decade no matter if they were at 1, 2, or 3 schools.

I don't remember anybody screaming OL problems from 06-08 nor do I remember much from 2010-2016. Bama pushing out shite in because we ran a bad scheme and played right into their hands is a completely different story.

This revisionist history on the OL is about as bad people thinking WR drops and play has only been bad the past 1-2 years (when it has been since Adam Henry left).
Posted by jgriffith
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
5235 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:24 am to
I remember that game against SELA too. All of Ensminger's pass plays were slow-developing, deep balls in max protection formation. That's the worst thing you can do with a struggling o-line. Old school guys like Ensminger just "don't get it." It's a different offensive line and a different score that night IF you go 4 and 5-wide, quick strikes with RPO.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 12:25 am
Posted by Robbytiger
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2010
1520 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 1:39 am to
That’s just the thing....

Our line shouldn’t have been struggling to block SELA....

No matter the offense...

That’s what you don’t get....
Posted by LSUjhawk
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Jun 2019
245 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:25 pm to
Should be 2 hand touch, not pillow fight
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278009 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:48 pm to
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That's 8 players from the 2009-2018 draft classes that were, or should have been drafted but weren't do to circumstances out of their control.


No way you wrote this with a straight face lol
Posted by Stingley Island
Minnie's Haberdashery
Member since Jun 2019
246 posts
Posted on 8/12/19 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

Watched scrimmage and it was very concerning. Oline really struggled in pass protection.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26579 posts
Posted on 8/13/19 at 9:40 am to
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SELA was blowing up our line. It was not good.



You skimmed through an entire post where I said multiple times that the 2018 OL was bad? I know it was, and I was saying it would be prior to the season, but the OL hasn't been a problem for years, it has actually been a strength more times than not.
Posted by warlock1974
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2015
1696 posts
Posted on 8/13/19 at 9:59 am to
Not judging the OP as such, but a "glass half empty" person would conclude:

1. If the O excels, it is because the D is bad
2. If the D excels, it is because the O is bad
If both have success, it is because they are equally bad.
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