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re: 2007 LSU vs FL, the day I became a Miles believer
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:56 am to lsuexpert57
Posted on 10/6/10 at 11:56 am to lsuexpert57
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lsuexpert57
I am not a fan of Miles as a coach and think that the bad far exceeds the good, but the Florida '07 is one game that was brilliantly coached by him IMO. There is a lot of time spent on Miles weaknesses (deservedly so), but I think one of his strengths is taking high percentage risks that few coaches would take. I think he basically nailed everything in this game. Given the same choices that Miles had to make in this game, I think there are very few coaches that would have pulled out a win.
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:03 pm to lsuexpert57
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You can't blame him for the losses and then say the wins are "just luck" or because of "Saban set him up". This is stupid and shows ignorance of how hard it is to coach winning football.
Not with the balance mismatch of talent that exists in college football.
This years team should not come within 10 pts of anyone they play but Bama and maybe Fla.
The 05,06,07 teams were hands down the most talented in the country.
This post was edited on 10/6/10 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:07 pm to kgriff
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Les, is that you?
This was your first post in the thread.
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don't watch alot of football...do you?
This was your second.
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How cute, name calling. Would you like to
continue with the childish insults?
Then this....hhh....I guess you are totally blameless for pushing me down the road to childishness, I absolve you princess.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:09 pm to CptBengal
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Miles almost lost the game for his team with TERRIBLE coaching last Saturday.
End of the game aside, do you not give him any credit for developing a gameplan with a previous inept offense that rolled up 400 some odd yards of offense?
It is his fault that DeAngelo Peterson reached out the ball needlessly and turned it over near the red zone? Or that Jarrett Lee made an abysmal throw from the 8 that cost us another TD?
I agree, he bungled the end of the game, but you can't have it all or nothing. He did a lot of good coaching in that game to put us in position to win...
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:10 pm to Lee Chatelain
You are obviously not a true LSU fan
A) Bob Knight is a complete jerk who didn't run a clean program. B) You didn't even get the quote right.
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It's like when that great coach was asked "Are you worried about playing this great LSU basketball team?" His Response, "They are great, but then I look down and see who's coaching them..." i.e. Dale Brown!!!
A) Bob Knight is a complete jerk who didn't run a clean program. B) You didn't even get the quote right.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:11 pm to lsuexpert57
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It just seems to me that too many folks get caught up in knee jerk reactions to each little moment. A CFB coach is ultimately responsible for everything to do with his team. To properly judge a coach you have to judge both the good and the bad.
For me, when the day is done, the balance comes down on the positive side with Miles.
You can't blame him for the losses and then say the wins are "just luck" or because of "Saban set him up". This is stupid and shows ignorance of how hard it is to coach winning football.
*applause*
You are one of the few, level-headed people who sees a bigger picture rather than the short term.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:12 pm to OBUDan
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t is his fault that DeAngelo Peterson reached out the ball needlessly and turned it over near the red zone? Or that Jarrett Lee made an abysmal throw from the 8 that cost us another TD?
I'm not so sure the throw was bad. It was bad for a fade pattern throw.
But that was his running back running a wheel route. A different throw and location altogether. I actually think he forgot to pump fake to freeze the backer and Ridley was supposed to cut harder with the throw behind...but whatever.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:13 pm to lsuexpert57
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lsuexpert57
Substance to your post about points and the 2 minute drill not being important in terms of W/L...
anytime. anytime.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:14 pm to lsuexpert57
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Not with the balance mismatch of talent that exists in college football. This years team should not come within 10 pts of anyone they play but Bama and maybe Fla. The 05,06,07 teams were hands down the most talented in the country.
I don't totally disagree with you about our talent level in those years, in fact that is the BIGGEST reason I am in favor of keeping Miles.
I think talent level is the biggest determining factor on who stays on top in CFB... much more important than game day coaching.
As far as us being the MOST talented team in the country in 05 and 06, no way. USC, TX and FL were at least our equals those years. We were right there but not head and shoulders above.
How many NC's did Pete Carroll win with all the talent he collected? And he was doing it against the PAC-10 for christsakes.
At the end of the day, give me a top 5 talented team and any coach you pick and lets go play. Most of the time, the players are going to determine the winner on any given day.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:16 pm to CptBengal
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I'm not so sure the throw was bad. It was bad for a fade pattern throw.
But that was his running back running a wheel route. A different throw and location altogether. I actually think he forgot to pump fake to freeze the backer and Ridley was supposed to cut harder with the throw behind...but whatever.
It was a horrible toss for a fade.
It was a horrible play call in considering down and distance, but that's another issue all together.
All I'm saying is that moments at the end of the game are somehow deemed more important than other moments and that's not correct.
He mismanaged the end of the game (or played a part in mismanaging). He's made mistakes.
But I find it hard to blame him when the QBs throw away 3 different chances to score. Or a TE fumbles away at least three points. Or stupid penalties cost us field position and kill drives (I know, I know, Saban's players NEVER make penalties.).
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:17 pm to lsuexpert57
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At the end of the day, give me a top 5 talented team and any coach you pick and lets go play. Most of the time, the players are going to determine the winner on any given day.
yes.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:17 pm to lsuexpert57
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*applause* You are one of the few, level-headed people who sees a bigger picture rather than the short term.
Gotta hang together on here, we are an endangered species!
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:18 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
"Not with the balance mismatch of talent that exists in college football.
This years team should not come within 10 pts of anyone they play but Bama and maybe Fla.
The 05,06,07 teams were hands down the most talented in the country."
Last time I checked, the general consensus by most College football experts was there is more parity in the game than ever before.
Look at just the past couple years (Michigan losing to App St., all the Boise St. upsets over teams with far better "talent", West Virginia blasting Oklahoma in the bowl game.
What happened to Peat Caroll at USC? On paper there's absolutely no excuse for him losing a single game from say 04 to 08 and almost every year he lost 1 or 2 he had no business losing.
I would say it's the exact opposite and you can't just go by the rankings or talent on the field or how many stars each player has next to their name.
That's not to say I don't agree with most everybody on here who is not happy with what has been happening with our team, and I'm definately not satisfied with Miles at this point.
I just had to at least point out that you can't be serious if you don't think there's a ton of parity in the college game more than ever before and upsets happen almost every weekend aka "That's why they play the game".
This years team should not come within 10 pts of anyone they play but Bama and maybe Fla.
The 05,06,07 teams were hands down the most talented in the country."
Last time I checked, the general consensus by most College football experts was there is more parity in the game than ever before.
Look at just the past couple years (Michigan losing to App St., all the Boise St. upsets over teams with far better "talent", West Virginia blasting Oklahoma in the bowl game.
What happened to Peat Caroll at USC? On paper there's absolutely no excuse for him losing a single game from say 04 to 08 and almost every year he lost 1 or 2 he had no business losing.
I would say it's the exact opposite and you can't just go by the rankings or talent on the field or how many stars each player has next to their name.
That's not to say I don't agree with most everybody on here who is not happy with what has been happening with our team, and I'm definately not satisfied with Miles at this point.
I just had to at least point out that you can't be serious if you don't think there's a ton of parity in the college game more than ever before and upsets happen almost every weekend aka "That's why they play the game".
This post was edited on 10/6/10 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:19 pm to OBUDan
what I said....which was true.
It was NOT a fade route.
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. It was bad for a fade pattern throw.
But that was his running back running a wheel route.
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It was a horrible toss for a fade.
It was a horrible play call in considering down and distance, but that's another issue all together.
It was NOT a fade route.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:37 pm to CptBengal
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Substance to your post about points and the 2 minute drill not being important in terms of W/L... anytime. anytime.
Look dude, I can see from your posts that you aren't just a typical run of the mill ranter, but I think you aren't really getting the gist of what I was trying to say.
Yes of course, the 2 minute drill and endgame coaching moves are important for a coach to get right. But in terms of what your overall record is, either in a season or in a career, no so much. Many other factors carry as much weight or more as to who comes out on top in a game.
For instance, in last years Ole Miss game that everyone seems to claim was lost by Miles by his end of the games mistakes. Let's say he calls the timeout right after Ridley is tackled on the swing pass. What situation do we face? It would have been 4th and 26 or so from around the 50 with about 25 seconds left. What were the odds that we would have converted that ? You know football enough to know we its unlikely that we would have called the same hailmary pass that was called when there was only 9 seconds left.
Plenty of people in the general public rail about what happened after Tolliver caught the ball but you know as well as I do that the was meant to be in the endzone, JJ just didn't get it there.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 2:10 pm to lsuexpert57
You are confusing being a risk taker with being an idiot.
Its not like we won the game going for two instead of tying it up with an extra point or anything. Or like Sean Payton kicking an onside in the SB.
It is a win off of pure luck at the end of a game we should have won by 40 anyway... How can you not see this??? We win in spite of LM.
Its not like we won the game going for two instead of tying it up with an extra point or anything. Or like Sean Payton kicking an onside in the SB.
It is a win off of pure luck at the end of a game we should have won by 40 anyway... How can you not see this??? We win in spite of LM.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 2:26 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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Made me a believer:
- Hiring Chavis
- Recruiting
Lost me:
- Co-defensive coordinators
- 2009 Ole Miss
- 2010 UT
- Offense since 2007
Ditto!
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Right now, I'm still on the Miles train (barely). Depending on how the rest of this year goes and how we handle Crowton and hiring a new OC who can develop QBs will tell the story for me.
Ditto! Do this...and I'm still behind Miles. Ignore the Crowton issue...and I'm off just like I abandoned Dinardo for sticking with Sweet Lou Tepper!
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