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re: 104.5 just said he definitely can't come back

Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:35 pm to
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

"He's permanently ineligible to play football at LSU," Bahnsen said in a telephone interview Monday afternoon. "That's definite. That's what was said Friday."


This was the statement that had a bit of an issue with earlier today and related it to Alleva via Bahnsen.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23228 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:35 pm to
I d just like to point out that Again....compliance officers by law can not comment on student issues.....this report is bull shite.

Pretty sure it falls under Ferpa.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
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Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:37 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/13/12 at 8:39 pm
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5597 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:38 pm to
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Posted by L S Usetheforce I d just like to point out that Again....compliance officers by law can not comment on student issues.....this report is bull shite. Pretty sure it falls under Ferpa.


No it does not. Coaches and Ath dept officials can comment on the fact that a player was suspended or dismissed. What they cannot comment on are the medical or grade circumstances if any.

Not to mention he was dismissed from football team not the university as a whole. He remains an eligible student
This post was edited on 8/13/12 at 8:41 pm
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23228 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:39 pm to
They can't comment about compliance if they won't even comment on why he was dismissed in 1st place.
Posted by Dinkle
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
1249 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:41 pm to
Did anyone consider the fact that Miles, Alleva etc. might be thinking that if TMs problem is so bad that he cannot stop while under the supervision of the athletic program, that it just may be probable that, being away from football for a year, with no oversight, he would be more than likely to commit the offense again? Ergo, he's off the team for good.
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5597 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:42 pm to
No one has commented on compliance.

The Director of Compliance answered a question the same way Les and Alleva did yesterday.

That he was off the team and It was permanent That's all
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23228 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:43 pm to
Maybe..but if it is truly his 3rd offense, he has a right to file grievance And/or infer as to a resolution in order to comply with by law's and regain trust of coaching staff.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6707 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:45 pm to
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Moscona made a good point. If he can never come back, it means this was his 4th positive. When were they gonna tell us about his suspension for one year?


Exactly... which is why HV later said the compliance d-bag was wrong... in not those exact words.

Never say never.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23228 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:46 pm to
That is not what he said....he said he was permenantly iineligable which directly reveals info on his status.
Posted by DaSaltyTiger
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:46 pm to
Fottball programs are not democracies, nor do they have formal due process. Otherwise, everyone would grieving that they weren't the starting QB.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23228 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:49 pm to
No disagreement here on that statement....what coach says goes.....they are actually dictatorships....which means if badge showed actual remorse and initiative, then he has right to grant whatever he wants.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

Fottball programs are not democracies, nor do they have formal due process. Otherwise, everyone would grieving that they weren't the starting QB.


Which makes it all the more strange why they would be punting on this subject. Like I said, what is it about LSU's policy and this violation that a one year suspension/boot would be insufficient?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23228 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:53 pm to
Nothing tiger Authority.....tryann matheui has a right to fix wrongs and face consequences of his actions......which means they can lead him to believe he may not get opportunity he seeks and still give it to him if they like the changes they in future....

I.e you get fired from a job, dedicate your time to refining your career and skills and interviewing again....all they can do is say no but they don't have too.
Posted by vjp819
South Sec. 414 / Alex Box Sec. 210
Member since Nov 2003
10882 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:54 pm to
quote:

Moscona made a good point. If he can never come back, it means this was his 4th positive. When were they gonna tell us about his suspension for one year?


He also mentioned that if this was his 4th positive, why was he still practicing with the team on Thursday evening. Why wasn't he suspended for a year on his 3rd?

So does this mean that this was his 3rd, and something went on at the time they informed him of the 12 month suspension that forced them to remove him permently from the team?

As usual there is probably more to this then we figure.
Posted by Dinkle
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
1249 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 9:01 pm to
Maybe Les called him in and told him he would be suspended for a year and TM told him to f*&k off. At that point Les kicked him off the team. Maybe remote possibility but only those two, and a few more, really know why its deemed "permanent" as opposed to one year.
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
52570 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 9:15 pm to
Define permanently ineligible
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 10:41 pm to
This statement is stupid, if the Athletic Director says you can't play, you can't play. If UGA hadn't kicked Mettenberger off the team he wouldn't be here now.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

This statement is stupid, if the Athletic Director says you can't play, you can't play. If UGA hadn't kicked Mettenberger off the team he wouldn't be here now.



What statement?
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 8/13/12 at 10:49 pm to
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Define permanently ineligible
To me, all that necessarily means is that there is no set duration, as in "two weeks," or "three weeks," or "4 games," or whatever.

Just because it's permanent does not necessarily suggest it cannot be repealed/revoked/revisited/etc.

I mean, if I get a permanent position with a company, that just means I'm not a temp. I'm pretty sure they can still fire me at some point in the future.

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