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Why not more JUCO recruitment
Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:00 am
*Spoiler* I’m not a recruiting expert..... but it seems like there are a lot of descent players available that could fill needs immediately..... just scrolling through I see where the top 5 teams currently have garnered commitments from some JUCO DL and OL.... seems we do it too but there are some doozies available right now.
I know we have Travez Moore and Traore
I know we have Travez Moore and Traore
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Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:04 am to Tommy Patel
Damien Lewis
Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:16 am to Tommy Patel
JUCO players are Band-Aids for your program. Majority are hit or miss. To be successful long term, you must recruit and develop guys out of HS.
This post was edited on 11/24/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:40 am to VolTiger13
Doesn't LSU have some juco guys in their sights?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:47 am to bencoleman
Yes. One or two a year isn't a huge deal, but when you start having to plug in 3, 4, and 5 guys a year with JUCO it becomes a problem IMO.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:48 am to VolTiger13
LSU could use depth on both sides of the line.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 10:50 am to bencoleman
How's that working out with Traore? Like I said, hit or miss, and that spot is wasted.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 11:01 am to VolTiger13
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Yes. One or two a year isn't a huge deal, but when you start having to plug in 3, 4, and 5 guys a year with JUCO it becomes a problem IMO.
Not if they are better than what you have.
Burrow is basically a JUCO transfer. In terms of eligibility
Posted on 11/24/18 at 11:27 am to GeeOH
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Burrow is basically a JUCO transfer. In terms of eligibility
but isn't in every other way
you can't compare 2-3 years in a legit, major program to 2 years in a JUCO. the preparation and coaching is exponentially different
Posted on 11/24/18 at 11:38 am to Tommy Patel
Traore was #1 rated O lineman coming out of JUCO. Yet now a/c to some “he sucks.” LSU has the singular misfortune of signing highly-rated players on offense, who for some reason, underachieve at LSU.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 11:50 am to TigerJeff
According to some? He's objectively terrible.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 12:28 pm to TigerJeff
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LSU has the singular misfortune of signing highly-rated players on offense, who for some reason, underachieve at LSU.
Then you got to start looking at the coaching these kids are getting at these positions. At some point, the shtick about the players being overrated falls flat.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 12:37 pm to VolTiger13
I don't think it's wasted. I think he needed some time to develop some. If he can provide a starters spot or provide depth next year then he was valuable IMO.
Of course you want to get the best players from HS first but if you can't then adding 2 or 3 players until you have the attention of the top HS recruits isn't a bad thing. It is a bandaid but a needed one at this point in Os program.
They also need to get out there in the country and evaluate better DLman and rush OLBs. IMO the rest of our roster has been fixed for the future. We have great LBs (except for a rusher) we have real quality WRs, quality QBs, quality RBs, quality DBs, and great OLman including future OTs with Rosenthal Wire, Traore, Deculus, Charles and Parker. The only true LTs are Wire, Rosenthal and Parker the rest are RTs and all need to develop BUT we do have better talent at the tackle position overall then we did even last year and for sure the year before.
I think we'll be fine at OG and OC but this line needed some rebuilding in a major way. Now that we have them all here they can start to build a two deep while all working together to build some real chemistry. I think our OL is in better shape then people realize. It's just going to be how these kids develop now.
The DL is a much different story and it needs to be addressed in this class, then we can add some real depth in 2020 and hopefully 21. I was hoping that we could add some big strong DLman in 2019.
Of course you want to get the best players from HS first but if you can't then adding 2 or 3 players until you have the attention of the top HS recruits isn't a bad thing. It is a bandaid but a needed one at this point in Os program.
They also need to get out there in the country and evaluate better DLman and rush OLBs. IMO the rest of our roster has been fixed for the future. We have great LBs (except for a rusher) we have real quality WRs, quality QBs, quality RBs, quality DBs, and great OLman including future OTs with Rosenthal Wire, Traore, Deculus, Charles and Parker. The only true LTs are Wire, Rosenthal and Parker the rest are RTs and all need to develop BUT we do have better talent at the tackle position overall then we did even last year and for sure the year before.
I think we'll be fine at OG and OC but this line needed some rebuilding in a major way. Now that we have them all here they can start to build a two deep while all working together to build some real chemistry. I think our OL is in better shape then people realize. It's just going to be how these kids develop now.
The DL is a much different story and it needs to be addressed in this class, then we can add some real depth in 2020 and hopefully 21. I was hoping that we could add some big strong DLman in 2019.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 12:59 pm to AshLSU
Yup
Posted on 11/24/18 at 1:24 pm to BayouBengal99
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. I was hoping that we could add some big strong DLman in 2019
Probably not as much as the coaches would like. I think next year's class is supposed to be deeper with Dline prospects.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 2:53 pm to bencoleman
Yea 2020 is a great year for LSU in the DL department BUT what I'm saying is that if this staff and this program wants to turn a corner to championship level football on a consistent basis then we need to add 3 to 4 elite or top 20 DLman every year. Then add 2 rush OLBs with different skill sets as well. Get 1 speed end then go get another heavier OLB for the run game. One of those athletic 6'3 to 6'6 260 to 275 lb ends who is quick but can play the run also. They're out there. Cam Jordan types. I know there aren't a crap ton of that talent out there but go get an aggressive TE who is in this range then cross train him.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can't compare 2-3 years in a legit, major program to 2 years in a JUCO. the preparation and coaching is exponentially different
Dude. Id rather a 2 year juco stud than a 2 year major program bench warmer.
I get your point and we are bith right in different circumstances.
Most, or many, JUCO guys were absolute hs studs, just some kind of grade issue pushed them to juco
Posted on 11/25/18 at 1:20 am to GeeOH
I've been out of coaching a few years but we used to always say, they are at JUCO for a reason. Many times it's grades, character issues etc. You don't want a guy that will be awful toward your culture. Also the point made above about not wanting to go overboard, with the number of JUCO guys. They can absolutely help and usually are ready quicker than a HS kid. 
Posted on 11/25/18 at 9:00 am to VolTiger13
It’s blatantly obvious LSU has fallen far behind in Oline recruitment and development,it is by far the biggest fault with this team
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:00 am to GeeOH
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Most, or many, JUCO guys were absolute hs studs, just some kind of grade issue pushed them to juco
and many grad transfers were studs without the grad/character issues (like Burrow)
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