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re: What position do the class of 2010 "tweeners" end up playing?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:00 pm to Stagg8
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:00 pm to Stagg8
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Ware is also not a 245 pound battering ram. Hell, Joe Addai is faster than Craig Heyward was. I understand that's taking a very liberal usage of hyperbole, but you know.
Like with the combine numbers, we'll just hafta agree to disagree. Like I said, I have a friend from Cincinnati who doesn't even follow recruiting and even he's known about Ware for years. People have been underrating this guy ever since he committed.
My three main things with RBs are lateral quickness/acceleration, vision, and lower body strength. Ware has all of them in spades. I'm not worried about elite speed or his "juking" or whatever. It really wouldn't shock me if Ware started by midseason next year.
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Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:03 pm to FootballNostradamus
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It really wouldn't shock me if Ware started by midseason next year.
And honestly, me neither... like I said, I think he could be a whale of a runningback. I would lean toward him playing on the other side of the ball simply because of need at LSU and I simply think his ceiling may be a little higher at WLB, because a 4.6 (or mid 4.5) 40 isn't a death sentence for a linebacker in the NFL.
Kid's an absolute stud regardless.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:11 pm to Stagg8
Alfred Blue: RB
J.C. Copeland: DT
Cameron Fordham: C
Sam Gibson: S/LB
Justin Maclin: DE
Tharold Simon: S/LB
Ronnie Vinson: CB
Ego Ferguson: DE
Eric Reid: S/LB
Spencer Ware: RB
Jarrett Fobbs:CB
J.C. Copeland: DT
Cameron Fordham: C
Sam Gibson: S/LB
Justin Maclin: DE
Tharold Simon: S/LB
Ronnie Vinson: CB
Ego Ferguson: DE
Eric Reid: S/LB
Spencer Ware: RB
Jarrett Fobbs:CB
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:21 pm to deuce985
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Sam Gibson: S/LB
Doesn't have the frame to be a LB
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Jarrett Fobbs: CB
Wouldn't have come to LSU if we wanted him at CB
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:23 pm to FootballNostradamus
Don't care what reason he had to come to LSU. They originally recruited him at DB and that is probably where hes going to end up. They'll give him a shot at WR and unless he blows their mind or have depth concerns, hes getting moved to DB.
You tell recruits what they want to hear to get them here. That simple. RS is going to be a stud QB, how did that end up?
Gibson is more than big enough to play the Chavis WLB if you want to call it that. Coleman wasn't even 205lbs and he played it. Gibson is still growing. All 3 of those guys have the frame to play that position. I don't see Simon as CB unless he just a absolute freak with his agility and hips. I just can't see a guy that tall playing CB...they're very very rare. All 3 aren't going to end up there...that is why I put S/LB but that is essentially another S spot anyway with how small his players usually are.
You tell recruits what they want to hear to get them here. That simple. RS is going to be a stud QB, how did that end up?
Gibson is more than big enough to play the Chavis WLB if you want to call it that. Coleman wasn't even 205lbs and he played it. Gibson is still growing. All 3 of those guys have the frame to play that position. I don't see Simon as CB unless he just a absolute freak with his agility and hips. I just can't see a guy that tall playing CB...they're very very rare. All 3 aren't going to end up there...that is why I put S/LB but that is essentially another S spot anyway with how small his players usually are.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:26 pm to deuce985
I want to see Maclin develop as an ILB.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:27 pm to OBUDan
Um..tharold Simon is 6'4..he won't play corner..maybe safety or wideout..Ford will be a star at LSU and I can't wait to see Ware in the mix. I'm glad well have some great power backs in the future. Ego...ah idk..I think he will provide some quality depth this year at DT with the REAL bust, Akiem Hicks, having gone. Copeland has a ton of talent but still may redshirt. Blue will play wideout.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:29 pm to deuce985
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Don't care what reason he had to come to LSU. They originally recruited him at DB and that is probably where hes going to end up. They'll give him a shot at WR and unless he blows their mind or have depth concerns, hes getting moved to DB.
You tell recruits what they want to hear to get them here. That simple. RS is going to be a stud QB, how did that end up?
Gibson is more than big enough to play the Chavis WLB if you want to call it that. Coleman wasn't even 205lbs and he played it. Gibson is still growing. All 3 of those guys have the frame to play that position. I don't see Simon as CB unless he just a absolute freak with his agility and hips. I just can't see a guy that tall playing CB...they're very very rare. All 3 aren't going to end up there...that is why I put S/LB but that is essentially another S spot anyway with how small his players usually are.
Fobbs is gonna do very well at LSU as a WR. Hopefully with Gonzales here we'll finally realize the benefits of a good slot WR. We've been dying for someone who can go across the middle, pick up cheap first downs and be a safety blanket for our QB.
Gibson doesn't have the thickness or the aggression Coleman has. Agree on Simon, no one that big has the hips necessary to play CB.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:29 pm to Cheetah Flex
+1 - agree that our real bust (Hicks) has gone...
Posted on 2/6/10 at 1:45 pm to SouthBayTiger
Ferguson ran a 4.67 laser timed 40 at one of the Nike(I think it was Nike) combines last year and it was widely reported.His only weaknesses are pure stength and he doesn't have a full compliment of pass rush moves but has added some to his incredible spin move.He is hard to stop 1 on 1.He hasn't been as impressive in game situations but with coaching will be a beast.I really think he's the gem of the class.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 7:48 pm to Stagg8
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If you have a 6'4" kid who's as good at CB as at WR, you have to keep him at DB. It's a much tougher position to coach and to find talent.
I agree in principle, but that's a big "IF". The sweet spot for corner height is between 5'10" and 6'2".
I need to look no further than the NFL, where you will find some specimens of WR at or above 6'4"- 6'5" (Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Plaxico Burress) - many examples in the 6'2" to 6'4" range (Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston, many others), as well as a whole host of those hovering at, just below and just above 6' even (Devery Henderson, Early Doucet, Arnaz Battle, Joey Galloway, Johnny Knox, many others).
However, very, very few CBs are listed above 6'2". Nnamdi Asomugha is listed at 6'2", Charles Woodson 6'1", Champ Bailey is 6'0", Terrence Newman is 5'11", Tracy Porter is 5'11", Darrell Revis is 5'11", and the list goes on and on.
I couldn't find a starting corner listed above 6'3", and I only saw Antonio Cromartie listed that tall.
SO, if 6'4" corners were a reality, wouldn't we see a few in the NFL?
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 9:31 pm to Ace Midnight
what about the kid from wm where does he play...tall but needs to put on weight
Posted on 2/7/10 at 9:45 am to lsufanva
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Ferguson ran a 4.67 laser timed 40 at one of the Nike(I think it was Nike) combines last year
I would love to see that if it's true... I personally have not seen anything to indicate that he in deed has run a sub 4.7 forty (at least nothing online). The only 40 I've been able to find is the 4.9 reported on his Rivals page which is likely not an official time.
Regardless, like I said, I think he could be a stellar SDE or DT, and I only think he would be more of an impact at the DT position because of need. Although in terms of an NFL future, the DE position is obviously the bigger money position (which is a shame, but another debate for another day).
Posted on 2/7/10 at 9:50 am to Ace Midnight
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However, very, very few CBs are listed above 6'2".
This doesn't mean teams aren't looking. Height alone can skyrocket a decent DB up the charts in the Draft. Every team is looking for big physical CBs.
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SO, if 6'4" corners were a reality, wouldn't we see a few in the NFL?
Well, first of all, we're assuming Simon's 6'4" is legit. In fact, I remember Terrance Newman being reported at 6'3" at some point during his playing days at KSU.
I just think if you have a kid who is as good at CB as at the wide receiver position, you play him at CB. It's a much more difficult position to get adequate play at the college level. And the other part of the argument is that a Chavis defense really puts a premium on big, physical corners. Like it or not, Chavis plays his CBs with a 8-10 yard buffer from the line of scrimmage. That dictates that his corners have to have the ability to come up and make tackles in the open field on quick WR screen or smoke routes.
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/7/10 at 9:58 am to FootballNostradamus
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Hopefully with Gonzales here we'll finally realize the benefits of a good slot WR
+freaking 1
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We've been dying for someone who can go across the middle, pick up cheap first downs and be a safety blanket for our QB
Won't matter who we have in the slot if we aren't willing to throw over the middle. JoJo could have caught slants all day long, and we wasted a great TE in Dickson.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:01 am to Icansee4miles
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we wasted a great TE in Dickson
That'll just piss you off the more and more you think about it.
It's cost Dickson hundreds of thousands of dollars in rookie contract as well.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:26 pm to Stagg8
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but he reported a 4.45 coming out of high school (not sure if that's a combine number or what he says) and NFL Draft Scout has him at a 4.48 (which may very well be a number he posted while at UA).
Moreno: 4.62
Felix Jones: 4.47
Early Doucet: 4.54
... I'm not sure I see it. I think he's a 4.5 guy.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:46 pm to bmy
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... I'm not sure I see it. I think he's a 4.5 guy.
That's quite a leap of faith there based on recorded 4.45 and 4.48 times... :sarcasm:
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:50 pm to Stagg8
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It's cost Dickson hundreds of thousands of dollars in rookie contract as well.
not really, they're projecting him as a fullback, so 10-15 more catches at tight end wouldn't have meant much
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:50 pm to Stagg8
Ingram will run 4.55+.
I'm surprised Felix's time is that "high." He plays a hell of a lot faster than that.
I'm surprised Felix's time is that "high." He plays a hell of a lot faster than that.
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