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re: USC now with 31 recruits
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:00 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:00 am to RLDSC FAN
quote:How can you back-count 9 players after signing 18 last year? Just because a player enrolls early does not mean he is automatically back-counted.
Really, why not? 9 of those are EE's already on campus
If USCw looses their appeal, this class will be a mess. There could be 8+ guys hung out to dry if the NCAA refuses to grant USCw any relief and you are forced to only bring in 15 guys in August.
If the appeal is lost and you have 7-8 guys back count along with 15 scholarships available in August, that leaves 8+ guys having to grey-shirt or find another school with room over the summer. I hope these kids understand the situation and aren't being lied to by Kiff & Co.
I keep hearing you USCw guys say that you will just delay the sanctions for a year but I have never heard of a school being allowed to delay the scholarship portion of the sanctions for a year but still have the bowl ban for that same season. The whole point of the sanctions is for it to be a punishment for cheating. I find it hard to believe the NCAA will allow USCw to load up on players this year to lessen the punishment.
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Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:16 am to XbengalTiger
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keep hearing you USCw guys say that you will just delay the sanctions for a year but I have never heard of a school being allowed to delay the scholarship portion of the sanctions for a year but still have the bowl ban for that same season.
It is all legit. Yes, if the appeal of schollies is not rediced, we may have to cut some players, gray shirt, etc.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:17 am to jrodLSUke
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It is amazing that USC would oversign recruits while waiting for the NCAA to review their appeal. A slap in the face to the NCAA. This is going to get even more interesting when the NCAA slaps back.
They did not over sign. Had 9 EE's, which count toward last year.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:20 am to CTexTiger
USC is over as a contender. Kiffen sucks and is a punk.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
Half Monty has put his head coaching career at USC on this 1 class. If the appeal is accepted they're obviously in much better shape, but the next few years will be a struggle with numbers.
If the appeal is denied, this class beterr be a homerun for production cause if not, Kiffin is done with no way to rebound.
If the appeal is denied, this class beterr be a homerun for production cause if not, Kiffin is done with no way to rebound.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
USC loses 30 scholarships over a 3 year period. So it's not necessary that they get it down to 15 if the appeal fails (and it will).
But what it does mean is if they are indeed about 8-9 players above the 15 this year, then they will be reduced to an average of only 11 players in 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes, on average. That's a pretty stupid way of recruiting when you could have just taken the best 15 players (all 4 and 5 star) this year, and done likewise the next 2 seasons.
But what it does mean is if they are indeed about 8-9 players above the 15 this year, then they will be reduced to an average of only 11 players in 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes, on average. That's a pretty stupid way of recruiting when you could have just taken the best 15 players (all 4 and 5 star) this year, and done likewise the next 2 seasons.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:34 am to islstl
Like I said, he has put all his eggs in this basket it seems.
He may not be good enough to renew his contract if he only brings in 15 each year. My guess is he is recruiting for a quick renewal.
He may not be good enough to renew his contract if he only brings in 15 each year. My guess is he is recruiting for a quick renewal.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:45 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Keep in mind, Pete oft took loess than 20 recruits.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:54 am to islstl
quote:
USC loses 30 scholarships over a 3 year period. So it's not necessary that they get it down to 15 if the appeal fails (and it will).
But what it does mean is if they are indeed about 8-9 players above the 15 this year, then they will be reduced to an average of only 11 players in 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes, on average. That's a pretty stupid way of recruiting when you could have just taken the best 15 players (all 4 and 5 star) this year, and done likewise the next 2 seasons.
Actually I had this all wrong.
The only hard number it appears the Trojans are handcuffed with is 75. That being the total number of players that can be on USC's roster for the 2011, 2012 and 2013 season. Thus, 30 scholarships that they won't have over that 2 year span (everybody else gets 85 per year).
Here's the rub. The USC roster was already trimmed down to just 73 coming into the 2010 season (due to a low signing class of 17 in 2010 and some attrition and guys being pushed out the door I am sure.....great work Kiffin). So in essence, they aren't working with much different constraints than any other school these 3 recruiting seasons (2011, 2012, 2013).
But with the 29 recruits for 2011, he has put himself in a hole. USC only has 16 seniors, so the 73 number comes down to only 57. Add 29, and that gives you 86, 11 over the limit due to sanctions. So 11 players either need to declare for the NFL, transfer, quit or current recruits NOT be given a scholarship they were promised.
Good luck Kiffin. You're such a douche.
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 9:56 am
Posted on 2/3/11 at 9:55 am to cheapseat
Pete sometimes took in less than 20 recruits.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:03 am to islstl
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But with the 29 recruits for 2011, he has put himself in a hole. USC only has 16 seniors, so the 73 number comes down to only 57. Add 29, and that gives you 86, 11 over the limit due to sanctions. So 11 players either need to declare for the NFL, transfer, quit or current recruits NOT be given a scholarship they were promised.
Good luck Kiffin. You're such a douche.
I love how some of you act like you know what is actually going on.
Let me ask you do you work for the NCAA, how do you know all this? Truth is SC has worked with the NCAA on what they can and cannot do. All of you are so hung up on kiffin does this and that. He's not in charge. Pat Haden and John McKay are, they are the ones that advise Kiff and the staff on what to do. If the appeal is denied we will have a small class next year.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:04 am to RLDSC FAN
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love how some of you act like you know what is actually going on.
Let me ask you do you work for the NCAA, how do you know all this? Truth is SC has worked with the NCAA on what they can and cannot do. All of you are so hung up on kiffin does this and that. He's not in charge. Pat Haden and John McKay are, they are the ones that advise Kiff and the staff on what to do. If the appeal is denied we will have a small class next year.
This info was from your own people.
Idiot.
LINK
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:09 am to islstl
attrition, guys leaving, injuries who will take a medical redshirt will take care of a lot, just like it does with others. Jeez, I have never seen so many people upset at a great class at USC. It's not like they don't have a stellar class year in and year out. Did you all expect Kif and co. to take 15-20 recruits because of "pending" sanctions? He's got to load up NOW.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:14 am to islstl
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This info was from your own people.
Idiot.
I didn't realize the OC register is "our people." Do they know exactly what we are doing or what the NCAA has allowed us to. Cute post thou
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:28 am to RLDSC FAN
I have to laugh at SEC fans yapping about SC over signing ..... SC is not ever going to be as good as they were under Sneaky Pete. Kiff is a horrible coach.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:35 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:
they're about all signed.
ok they may all sign but you can only have 25 of them on a scollie. that's six that have to greyshirt or walk-on.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 10:36 am to islstl
NCAA is a joke!
Posted on 2/3/11 at 12:43 pm to LSU GrandDad
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ok they may all sign but you can only have 25 of them on a scollie. that's six that have to greyshirt or walk-on.
Goodness gracious. At east eight were early enrollees and count toward last year's class
Posted on 2/3/11 at 12:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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If the appeal is denied we will have a small class next year.
People just can't seem to grasp this concept. They are loading up now b/c they can. Once the appeal is denied, they will be stuck with small classes for the next three years.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 1:21 pm to CTexTiger
I bet USC loses 3 games this year
And fire Kid Kiffen after next season
They suck as long as he and O are leading that program
Character matters and they have little character
that's how i see it, that's how I call it
And fire Kid Kiffen after next season
They suck as long as he and O are leading that program
Character matters and they have little character
that's how i see it, that's how I call it
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