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re: Trent Richardson, DJ Fluker and Nico Johnson
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:28 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:28 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
I follow Rivals, not scout. I have noticed a strange amount of (large) bumps this year, and last for State of Alabama players and Alabama players in general.
ESPN's overall rankings:
Kirkpatrick #4
Fluker #12
Johnson #20
Scout's overall rankings:
Kirkpatrick #38 5*
Fluker (don't know overall rank) 4*
Johnson #48 5*
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Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:30 am to thunderbird1100
The only one of those that is not a 5* on Scout is Fluker, who is a 4* on Scout.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:31 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
It was quite clear Fluker is just raw in his ability at OT in pass blocking. To be expected from a 1st year player at that spot though, especially going against the nation's best.
It's basically up to the coaches. They're definately working with a guy that has 5* physical tools.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:34 am to LuckyLee
quote:
ESPN's overall rankings:
Kirkpatrick #4
Fluker #12
Johnson #20
Scout's overall rankings:
Kirkpatrick #38 5*
Fluker (don't know overall rank) 4*
Johnson #48 5*
I'm not talking about JUST those guys. I'm talking about guys in general...and guys who get bumped down for not going to Bama...
But once again, I still see the fact you're ignoring this supposedly huge surge of elite Alabama talent these past 2 years. 3 5-stars from 2002-2007 (6 years) and now you have 6 in the past 2 years?
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:37 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
But once again, I still see the fact you're ignoring this supposedly huge surge of elite Alabama talent these past 2 years. 3 5-stars from 2002-2007 (6 years) and now you have 6 in the past 2 years?
Last year for Bama was like this year in LA. That isn't the norm.
quote:
I'm not talking about JUST those guys. I'm talking about guys in general...and guys who get bumped down for not going to Bama...
AJ took a tumble this time and you were complaining about his ranking before. Chris Bonds is down to a 3 star. Nobody looks at the guys that do fall. It's just a witch hunt.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:37 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
But once again, I still see the fact you're ignoring this supposedly huge surge of elite Alabama talent these past 2 years. 3 5-stars from 2002-2007 (6 years) and now you have 6 in the past 2 years?
Maybe, but the ranking are pretty damn close all across the 3 major sites besides Fluker on Scout. If you think AL state prospects are overrated, ok, but it's not just on Rivals.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:41 am to LuckyLee
I always find it funny when people think Rivals is biased to Bama.
I remember the day after Claiborne committed to LSU, he was bumped from a * to a *** on Scout. I didn't hear anybody claiming conspiracy about that...?
I remember the day after Claiborne committed to LSU, he was bumped from a * to a *** on Scout. I didn't hear anybody claiming conspiracy about that...?
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:41 am to thunderbird1100
Last year
ESPN:
Jones #2
Scott #19
Love #33
Scout:
Jones #3 5*
Scott #74 4*
Love #32 5*
Once again, the rankings are reasonably close across the board.
ESPN:
Jones #2
Scott #19
Love #33
Scout:
Jones #3 5*
Scott #74 4*
Love #32 5*
Once again, the rankings are reasonably close across the board.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:41 am to arwicklu
quote:
Last year for Bama was like this year in LA. That isn't the norm.
I know that, and I expected this year to not be so great for Alabama talent, as most were saying...yet, it's turning out to be HUGE once again
quote:
AJ took a tumble this time and you were complaining about his ranking before. Chris Bonds is down to a 3 star. Nobody looks at the guys that do fall. It's just a witch hunt.
Not saying you don't have guys that don't go down. But if you're going to argue you have an equal amount go down or more go down, then, well...
This also doesn't address very strange things happening like the second a guy picks someone else over Bama they plummet (See Tyler Edwards, who I believe was at least a 5.9 4-star at some point last year).
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:44 am to LuckyLee
quote:
Scout:
Jones #3 5*
Scott #74 4*
Love #32 5*
Going by Scout's overall rankings and Rivals 5-stars they've given out in 2009 and 2008 to the overall rankings the State of Alabama would of had 1 5-star last year and 1 5-star this year. Quite a bit different in terms of stars (2 vs. 6) over the last 2 years.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:47 am to thunderbird1100
How can you compare the 2 like that? Scout has more 5* players than Rivals, that's just the way it is. You're grasping at straws as usual. Rivals may be biased, but to nowhere near the degree that you're implying.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:51 am to LuckyLee
quote:
How can you compare the 2 like that?
Becuase I'm making all things equal. Using overall rankings. The state of Alabama would of only had 1 5-star player each of the past 2 years if scouts overall rankings went with rivals 5-stars. Scout simply gives out a lot more 5-stars.
quote:
Rivals may be biased, but to nowhere near the degree that you're implying.
Seems weird none of you can come up with a logical argument for the sudden boom in elite talent in the State of Alabama. I mean come on, 6 5-stars in the past 2 years after you've had 2 the previous 6 years? You don't think that's the least bit odd? Even after everyone was saying this won't be a good year for state of Alabama talent?
This post was edited on 1/14/09 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:55 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
Seems weird none of you can come up with a logical argument for the sudden boom in elite talent in the State of Alabama.
what do you want to hear? The state changed its tax laws in 1990, so we had a large influx of people from LA, GA, MS, and FLA and their offspring are far more superior to any offspring coming from two people born and raised in AL?
Posted on 1/14/09 at 11:58 am to thunderbird1100
the fact that so many of the freshmen class last year came in and contributed so quickly should let you know those guys weren't overrated.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 12:00 pm to bamaatlsu
quote:
what do you want to hear?
A reasonable explanation for an unreasonable event.
This post was edited on 1/14/09 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 1/14/09 at 12:00 pm to bamaatlsu
quote:
the fact that so many of the freshmen class last year came in and contributed so quickly should let you know those guys weren't overrated.
I'm more so talking about THIS YEARS crop...after it was supposed to be a weak year for the state of Alabama this year...much weaker than last year's....and it's practically the same now.
Everyone knew last year's crop was great, but this year's is bit questionable to say the least.
This post was edited on 1/14/09 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/14/09 at 12:02 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 1/14/09 at 12:04 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
A reasonable explanation for an unreasonable event.
I have provided one.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 12:06 pm to LuckyLee
quote:
I have provided one.
Didn't see it
Please explain why the state, especially this year with emphasis, has supposedly so many elite level prospects after having barely any the previous years from 2002-2007? I already have given you last year was supposed to be great, but this year wasn't...and suddenly now it is?
Posted on 1/14/09 at 12:07 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
Seems weird none of you can come up with a logical argument for the sudden boom in elite talent in the State of Alabama. I mean come on, 6 5-stars in the past 2 years after you've had 2 the previous 6 years? You don't think that's the least bit odd? Even after everyone was saying this won't be a good year for state of Alabama talent?
Whats the reason for the boom in talent this year in LA? It's so strong compared to the usual.
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