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Stars are way down my factors list
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:35 am
Been reading posts for years but just registered. "All I can stands, I can't stand no more." - Popeye First, on the falsehood that teams have to finish top 5 all the time to play for NC. Hmmmm, then why has Michigan made the playoffs 2 years in a row with classes of #17, #9, #13, #10, and #8? 
Second, some cherry pick the individual ratings that support their point. So I will cherry pick. Does anyone really think that Holly is only a high 3*, M Taylor a high 3*, Welch a med 4*, W Howard a high 4*, Wiggins a high 4*, Daniels a low 4* (transfer rating), or Burrow a low 4*. These were their ratings by 247 composite...some underrated, some overrated. Oh, and watch Reliford's HUDL video (yes, highlights)..a low 4*. He reminds me of Danielle Hunter....minimum of top 100 player (high 4*)
Bottom line I judge IN ORDER BY 1) player video 2) camp/coach evaluation where available 3) offer sheet 4) recruiting services rating. To the stargazers out there, analyze curling...football recruiting is above your pay grade.
Second, some cherry pick the individual ratings that support their point. So I will cherry pick. Does anyone really think that Holly is only a high 3*, M Taylor a high 3*, Welch a med 4*, W Howard a high 4*, Wiggins a high 4*, Daniels a low 4* (transfer rating), or Burrow a low 4*. These were their ratings by 247 composite...some underrated, some overrated. Oh, and watch Reliford's HUDL video (yes, highlights)..a low 4*.
He reminds me of Danielle Hunter....minimum of top 100 player (high 4*) Bottom line I judge IN ORDER BY 1) player video 2) camp/coach evaluation where available 3) offer sheet 4) recruiting services rating. To the stargazers out there, analyze curling...football recruiting is above your pay grade.
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:44 am to NotaStarGazer
I agree but this makes too much sense. You can’t make sense on here. Kardell and Sage 5 stars, really lost could go on.
I trust our staff evaluations over the “scouting team” at these PAID sites. Louisiana is grossly underrated and severely under scouted. It’s been like that for decades now and it hasn’t changed....much
I think One3 is doing the best. I think they are actually trying atleast with actual scouts and film breakdowns
I trust our staff evaluations over the “scouting team” at these PAID sites. Louisiana is grossly underrated and severely under scouted. It’s been like that for decades now and it hasn’t changed....much
I think One3 is doing the best. I think they are actually trying atleast with actual scouts and film breakdowns
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:54 am to NotaStarGazer
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then why has Michigan made the playoffs 2 years in a row with classes of #17, #9, #13, #10, and #8?
Because their schedule comprises teams like East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green, Rutgers, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Iowa.
I don't know why a faction of individuals continue to downplay the importance of star rankings. The same people downplaying star rankings are the same ones celebrating and boasting when we land a 5* player (Weston Davis being the most recent example).
No, it's not a 100% perfect method of predicting how good a player will be in college. But on a macro level, looking at teams all around the country over the years, it's an accurate predictor of which teams will be playing for a title in a give year.
It's not a coincidence that Georgia started pulling top 2 recruiting classes and then a few years later started winning multiple national titles. Alabama has been pulling in top 2 classes for more than a decade and we know what the results look like there.
This notion that we can be content with not bringing in top 10 classes and expect to do what Georgia or Alabama does each year is a complete fantasy. Yes, some 5* kids will be busts. Yes, some 3* kids will be elite players and future NFL 1st or 2nd round picks.
But right now, Georgia has 28 commitments with 19 ranked in the top 250. LSU has 27 commitments with just 8 ranked in the top 250. That's not setting us up to compete at their level in the future.
If we want more meaningless bowl games in Florida, then we don't have to worry about it. If we want titles, then yeah, something has to improve, especially with defensive recruiting.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:54 am to StevieG504
You can play this game all day, but we have had several 5 stars and highly rated 4 stars live up to their hype. Missing on highly rated recruits is not a good thing.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:08 pm to NotaStarGazer
“ Stars are way down my factors list “
Posted by NolaStarGazer
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You can’t make this shite up.
Posted by NolaStarGazer
1st post
You can’t make this shite up.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:10 pm to StevieG504
I agree about On3 which I believe has Reliford where he belongs for example. BTW, your LA comment reminded me. Does ANYONE really believe that of this year's 247 composite 5 stars, the STATE of Alabama has 5 of them, Texas a giant football crazy state only 6, and LA only 1? Didn't want to open up the regional bias can of worms, but... that is almost mathematically impossible.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:12 pm to NotaStarGazer
Believe that nonsense to make yourself feel better about our crap recruiting class this year. Using that logic, why are Bama, Ga, Ohio st not after a bunch of 3 stars instead of 4 and 5 stars
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:16 pm to SulphursFinest
I'm sure this will be really popular since I'm guessing Dinardo isn't on anyone's greatest coaches list (NOT on mine). But he stated the gospel on recruiting (may have stolen the line_). "You don't get hurt in recruiting by not signing some players. What kills you are the players you do sign that don't contribute." So play the "game all day" about "LSU did horrible because they didn't sign {such and such}. I don't give a damn about that. Tell me who LSU DID sign and will they contribute.
One last thing that almost no one mentions. You need to BALANCE the class across all positions. Orgeron used to sign highly rated classes but he would average about 2 or 3 OL per class. That was absurd!
One last thing that almost no one mentions. You need to BALANCE the class across all positions. Orgeron used to sign highly rated classes but he would average about 2 or 3 OL per class. That was absurd!
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:21 pm to Cadello
Huh? Cadello, YOU just MADE UP my userid. Buy some specs. My userid is noTaStarGazer. You said NoLaStarGazer. Please man, criticize me all you want but don't misquote me! Geez! 
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:28 pm to NotaStarGazer
lol I can guarantee you more 3 stars don’t contribute and leave than 5 stars and high 4s do.
You’re also trying to merge 3 different arguments into one. Pick a topic and stick with it. Orgeron means nothing in this conversation
You’re also trying to merge 3 different arguments into one. Pick a topic and stick with it. Orgeron means nothing in this conversation
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:57 pm to SulphursFinest
Actually, Orgeron fits PERFECTLY in this topic. His classes were fantastic in STAR ratings/team rankings but horrible in balance by position/filling needs. Remember when LSU had almost 0 OL subs...remember when LSU played in a bowl game and switched WRers to play secondary spots. But hey, you guys probably think team rankings accrued by 3rd party recruiting services is all that counts. What SOME never mention is filling needs.
On your "lol I can guarantee you more 3 stars don’t contribute and leave than 5 stars and high 4s do." Obviously true since there are only 32 5* and only about 400 4* while there are 1600+ 3*. How shocking that on a % basis and ranking basis it is more likely that higher ranked players will do better IN GENERAL! But teams recruit individuals not in groups. And all coaches and teams are not equal in their ability to evaluate prospects. I consider Brian Kelly one of the best.
On your "lol I can guarantee you more 3 stars don’t contribute and leave than 5 stars and high 4s do." Obviously true since there are only 32 5* and only about 400 4* while there are 1600+ 3*. How shocking that on a % basis and ranking basis it is more likely that higher ranked players will do better IN GENERAL! But teams recruit individuals not in groups. And all coaches and teams are not equal in their ability to evaluate prospects. I consider Brian Kelly one of the best.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:58 pm to NotaStarGazer
Completely agree.
Plus there are so many snaps and only one football.
Plus there are so many snaps and only one football.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:59 pm to NotaStarGazer
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3) offer sheet
Ish Sopsher had a pretty good offer sheet. He’d be lucky to play for Hamburger U if they had a team.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 1:04 pm to Cs
LSU is always going to be one step behind Bama Georgia and now probably Texas in over all recruiting. Money and recruiting base.
Miles hurt LSU by not recruiting offensive tackles and QBs. QBs did not come because of the offense
Kelly has solved QB room and Offensive line. Looks like we have several DB additions
Defensive tackle is still needed.
Miles hurt LSU by not recruiting offensive tackles and QBs. QBs did not come because of the offense
Kelly has solved QB room and Offensive line. Looks like we have several DB additions
Defensive tackle is still needed.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 1:07 pm to NotaStarGazer
I have to squint to read my phone
Posted on 12/17/23 at 1:57 pm to NotaStarGazer
You consider Brian Kelly one of the best at evaluating talent? Based off of what?
You mentioned Michigans success but failed to mention how they get clapped in the playoffs every year. A product of an easy schedule. You’ll see the lack of talent against Bama. Boasting their recruiting ranking being outside of the top 10 and ignoring their 0 Natty’s is a weird argument.
There is a reason Georgia and Alabama dominate everyone. It’s not because of their 3 stars, I can assure you.
The truth is one class won’t make or break you. This class won’t break us. But you WILL NOT be successful in the SEC if you are consistently outside of the top 10 in recruiting
You also keep mentioning filling needs, which we keep not doing. DL and CB class is arse, my dude
And lastly, using JDs recruiting ranking while ignoring the fact that the was the #1 ranked dual threat out of high school is fricking hilarious. They absolutely nailed that ranking.
You mentioned Michigans success but failed to mention how they get clapped in the playoffs every year. A product of an easy schedule. You’ll see the lack of talent against Bama. Boasting their recruiting ranking being outside of the top 10 and ignoring their 0 Natty’s is a weird argument.
There is a reason Georgia and Alabama dominate everyone. It’s not because of their 3 stars, I can assure you.
The truth is one class won’t make or break you. This class won’t break us. But you WILL NOT be successful in the SEC if you are consistently outside of the top 10 in recruiting
You also keep mentioning filling needs, which we keep not doing. DL and CB class is arse, my dude
And lastly, using JDs recruiting ranking while ignoring the fact that the was the #1 ranked dual threat out of high school is fricking hilarious. They absolutely nailed that ranking.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:03 pm to NotaStarGazer
You are dumb
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:14 pm to NotaStarGazer
You’re right man, Kentucky and Wisconsin are really lighting the world on fire with their roster full of 3*s
Whether you want to admit it or not, stars matter
Whether you want to admit it or not, stars matter
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:30 pm to NotaStarGazer
Deleted because all my research deserved its own thread
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 3:38 pm
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