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re: Sentimore, Byrd, Molton

Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:54 am to
Posted by flucobaseball
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:54 am to
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Once again a grades question mark and a grades/character question mark at a position with a high attrition to begin with.

The same people complain when we don't offer or back off of the guys with grade problems, because they go to other schools and shine. It's not an exact science. You know this.
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Read the thread.

I have. Who said we couldn't use him?
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:56 am to
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No I didn't. I said multiple times he didn't have a ride. He was stuck in BFE. Have you ever been to JC? It's about the size of...I can't think of anything close to Baton Rouge to compare it to...Satsuma maybe?


So it's the coaches fault he didn't have a ride?

One excuse he used over the summer for not going to a camp was he was on vacation or something...
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:57 am to
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And if WR depth was of no concern why was the rant so worried when it was announced Molton had left the team?


How big are Keiland's calves now is a huge concern on the rant.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:00 am to
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Tim Molton was likely going to be our #3


agreed

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It's not the coaches fault he tore his ACL.


agreed

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It's not like the coaches can see 2 years down the road if a kid will seriously injure himself or not.


agreed

I never said we shouldn't have offered Molton. I said at a position that over the past several years has had a high rate of kids not panning out(eligibility being the biggest reason) where some of your current commits have question marks to begin with we should have taken Byrd also(imo fwiw).
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:04 am to
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I never said we shouldn't have offered Molton. I said at a position that over the past several years has had a high rate of kids not panning out(eligibility being the biggest reason) where some of your current commits have question marks to begin with we should have taken Byrd also(imo fwiw).


How can you say we have had a high number of kids not pan out at WR when we have put more WRs in the NFL recently than I believe any other school (going back to Josh Reed)? I'd say we're quite above the curve in WRs panning out.

Molton got injured, we took Molton over Byrd. We couldn't take both at the time or would have if we could. We can always talk hindsight but injuries are out of the coaches control.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:21 am to
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How can you say we have had a high number of kids not pan out at WR


2009 (one WR from class on the roster)
Kenny Bell- switched to bama
Deanglo Benton- switched to Auburn
plus a couple of position changes


2008(three on the roster)
Deanglo Benton- grades
Molton- quit the team
Peterson moved to TE

2007(two)
Deanglo Benton- grades
Toddrick Bajoie- grades
Phelan Jones(posible WR coming in)-transfered
plus a couple of positon changes

2006(one)
Ricky Dixon- transfered
Jared Mitchell- left early for baseball(I know he doesn't really count)

2005(two)

Not panning out might not be the best choice of words, but it is a position that historically has had a high rate of position changes(athlete type guys) and grade risks(Molton, Bell, Benton, Bajoie).

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We couldn't take both at the time


Why not?


Posted by ApexTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:51 am to
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Losing these 3 were huge. Period. And if we start to make mistakes like this year in and year out, it will bring us down.


Can you imagine Dez Bryant? Brown 5 star WR with grade issues and Benton?

I got bigger names and bigger play makers than you mentioned, we can play this game all day..

You can't get everyone you want...sometimes players develop and become better than imagined.

Recruiting is a bit of an art .

We are fine... shoulda coulda woulda
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:01 am to
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Not panning out might not be the best choice of words, but it is a position that historically has had a high rate of position changes(athlete type guys) and grade risks(Molton, Bell, Benton, Bajoie).


When I think of not panning out I think of players who actually get here and not do well.

I don't think we have had a high rate at all. Like I said, we have sent more WRs to then NFL recently than basically everyone. LaFell will be another to go to the NFL this year, was just a 5.7 3-star out of high school. A high rate of players not panning out there would seem to suggest we have struggled production wise there.

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Why not?



Because we didn't.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:07 am to
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I don't think we have had a high rate at all. Like I said, we have sent more WRs to then NFL recently than basically everyone. LaFell will be another to go to the NFL this year, was just a 5.7 3-star out of high school. A high rate of players not panning out there would seem to suggest we have struggled production wise there.


The guys we eventually get enrolled and on the field at WR produce, but it seems we have to sign/get commintments from two for every one that suits up at WR for LSU.

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Why not?





Because we didn't.


So you are admitting you were wrong when you said we couldn't sign both?

Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:08 am to
To illustrate...

LSU has sent 8 WRs to the NFL the past 6 drafts

Alabama - 1
Arkansas - 2
Auburn - 4
Ole Miss - 1
Mississippi State - 0

So we have sent as many WRs to the NFL in the past 6 years as the entire SEC West COMBINED outside of us.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:09 am to
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To illustrate...

LSU has sent 8 WRs to the NFL the past 6 drafts

Alabama - 1
Arkansas - 2
Auburn - 4
Ole Miss - 1
Mississippi State - 0

So we have sent as many WRs to the NFL in the past 6 years as the entire SEC West COMBINED outside of us.


no one is arguing that
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:10 am to
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The guys we eventually get enrolled and on the field at WR produce, but it seems we have to sign/get commintments from two for every one that suits up at WR for LSU.


A lot of schools go through that at many positions. I don't see a problem at our school especially considering the production we get from our WRs.


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So you are admitting you were wrong when you said we couldn't sign both?


How does that make me wrong? The coaches were obviously after Byrd but never offered him. We didn't have the room left.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:11 am to
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no one is arguing that


So why worry about a few guys not making it school or transferring?
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:14 am to
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A lot of schools go through that at many positions. I don't see a problem at our school especially considering the production we get from our WRs.


I didn't say LSU is the only school that has this issue. But given the pattern plus the question marks of other kids already committed at that position it makes sense to over sign at WR.

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How does that make me wrong? The coaches were obviously after Byrd but never offered him. We didn't have the room left.


We only enrolled 24 from that class. We had room.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:15 am to
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So why worry about a few guys not making it school or transferring?


Because we are one injury and/or NFL defection and/or disciplinary release of a WR from being really thin in 2010.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:17 am to
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We only enrolled 24 from that class. We had room.


Benton didn't qualify (again). The coaches were hoping he would That would of made 25.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:17 am to
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Because we are one injury and/or NFL defection and/or disciplinary release of a WR from being really thin in 2010.


You could say that for everyone.
Posted by Sonny G
Houston, TX
Member since May 2009
508 posts
Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:18 am to
Yes Blackmon is supposedly a DT recruit and Elliot Porter is supposed to play OL instead of DT even though Rivals ranks him as the #13 DT for the 2010 class.

My question is why is Akiem Hicks not seeing any playing time? Downs has played the last two games to Hicks not playing a snap (as far as I know.) How can a true freshman be better, further along in DT technique than a JUCO DT that has supposedly played (started) for the last two years of experience @ the JUCO level? All I can figure is that Hicks experience has not transferred to the "big-time SEC caliber of skills needed/required to see playing time" and he has not progressed/developed as the coaches projected.

The coaching staff hasn't said boo about this as far as I know. And, Davenport was injured in HS last year so supposedly, he was given a RS to heal up and recover from that injury.

Does anyone have any "real" insight as to Hicks?

If Hicks can’t cut the mustard, then not going after Sentimore harder may have been a mistake on the Coaching staff's part…I hate to question the staff’s decision and hindsight is always 20/20, but Sentimore has more speed than Hicks and would have been around for 4 years vs. two. And, if Hicks can’t enter the rotation this year, then we will have only gotten one year out of him and LSU will not benefit from his experience next year in subsequent years. This is the downside of JUCO guys; if they don’t contribute their Jr. year, I consider it a bust recruiting effort. Too little sugar for a dime…some may say…or in other words…it wasn’t worth the effort for the amount of resources expended.

I do too take exception and am critcizing the coaching staff. The coaching staff realized they screwed up not getting on Sentimore earlier with an offer. By the time they offered him late in the process, Saban and Bama had already sealed the relationship. DT depth will be an issue next year if LSU cannot land some good DT this year.

Depth will be:

Nevis - SR - I hope he doesn't go pro or LSU is in trouble.

Hicks - SR -

Downs - Soph.

Davenport - RSFreshman

Blackmon - True Freshman

That looks like problems to me if Nevis goes to the NFL. We can rotate 4 guys with very little experience. Any injury and LSU is in trouble. This is a recruiting problem for LSU.




This post was edited on 9/18/09 at 11:29 am
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:19 am to
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Benton didn't qualify (again).


Which was predictable. Along with J. Taylor and Molton who both were huge grade question marks.

Only an idiot would have expected all three of those guys to get enrolled. Hell getting 2 of the 3 was a plesant surprise.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 11:28 am to
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You could say that for everyone.


We are going in circles now. My whole point is hindsight being 20/20 Byrd would be really nice in 2010 to have.

I also feel though that some of this was predictable.
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