re: RMD- Vote on 107

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I wouldn't mind that, but I think the voting should be in four to five years when the majority of the players graduate. That way we can see who had the most starts, All-conference, All-Americans, etc.

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We can do that too. I was just talking for an instant grade. Plus, no telling half these guys will be around in 4-5 years to look back on their draft.

This is a SICK spin on the classic stud TE vs. 2nd WR fantasy debate. Do you take your first TE before or after WR 2? Religious discussion IMO. Happy to be a part of this twisted exercise. My strategy is to get the best players available each round while factoring in depth of positional talent as much as possible. Jury is out on how the execution is working out.

I had J Witten and I sucked HARD. I have had it work both ways.

The difference maker in most offenses is the tight end. I read an article a year or so ago that explained why this is true. I wish I had saved it. True real life teams covet guys that who are great blockers,as well as great receivers. Unfortunately,they are rare.

Even your best tight ends usually can only do one or the other. Shannon Sharpe couldnt block worth a shite, but he was Elway's favorite target on two Super Bowl teams. The Cowboys offense went to crap after Novachek retired, but were able to keep going after Alvin Harper signed with the Bucs a year or two earlier.

I debated selecting CJ Fiedorowicz in the 3rd round, but figured none of you guys would draft him. I was wrong. For true real life teams a tight end is always going to be more valuable than a 2nd wide receiver. They force the defense to account for them. Look at how much Arizona struggled after Rob Gronkowski got injured. JMHO.

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How much of a difference can a TE make when they are typically the 3rd or 4th receiving option on a team?

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A dynamic TE must be accounted for by not only the guys on the edge but the entire defense. The fact that you can match up a top notch TE against a LB or an undersized NB, or you can run behind him to unbalance a line and give you advantages in the run game put a premium on the position.

Decent WRs are not hard to find.

When healthy, Jeremy Shockey is easily more valuable than the Saints second wide receiver. Shockey helps in the running game and forces the defense to defend in between the hashes because he can go upfield on post routes. There just isnt many tight ends who have Shockey's talent and are factors in both the running and passing game. The great tight end is more valuable while the average tight end isnt. Hope that clears up my positon. I didnt do a very good job explaining myself in the earlier post.

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True real life teams covet guys

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Wait up...This is fantasy fantasy!! This is designer pocket protector shite. Not a flame. Just sayin!!

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Do the vote right after and we can revisit it each year.

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I think this is a good idea. To do only one vote might take away from teams that are built solid and don't have eye popping skill players.

The point system isn't a bad idea also...only problem with that is it changes the drafting strategy. It then might be better to go after mid major players over second level big 6 players.

ETA: Either way I think it would be a fun thing to keep track of.

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A dynamic TE must be accounted for by not only the guys on the edge but the entire defense. The fact that you can match up a top notch TE against a LB or an undersized NB, or you can run behind him to unbalance a line and give you advantages in the run game put a premium on the position.

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The fact is, almost no TEs actually do this.

Hernandez from Florida - Great receiver, terrible blocker.
Peek from Bama - great blocker, not much of a receiving threat.
Dickson from LSU - good receiver, high effort blocker but not great


Even guys in the NFL. Gates isn't a good blocker. Tony Gonzalez isn't really either, but he tries hard.

Guys like Alge Crumpler, Manumaleuna etc. aren't receiving threats really. Crumpler had a couple good years but he's sticking around the league for his blocking.

Most guys go one way or the other. There's not anyone that stands out at both. And most teams have subs. Like Deangelo Peterson. I'm guessing he won't see the field much in running situations. But he's a great receiver.

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The point system isn't a bad idea also...only problem with that is it changes the drafting strategy. It then might be better to go after mid major players over second level big 6 players.

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This is the right strategy IMO. For me, this is about NCAA and production/success at this level. I will put more value on a 2 yr, All Conference guy from a mid-major than a backup QB from USC that gets drafted (M. Cassel). By the time we do this shite again next year, we will have a better way to score it! So far, so good though.