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Orgeron and recruiting
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:33 am
If Coach Orgeron does everything in his power under NCAA recruiting guidelines and Kids like Sopsher and Stingley decide to sign with Alabama, why is that orgeron's fault?
Everybody keeps talking about "locking down the state of Louisiana". Here's your chance to tell Orgeron how to do that. Reply, geniuses.
Everybody keeps talking about "locking down the state of Louisiana". Here's your chance to tell Orgeron how to do that. Reply, geniuses.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:38 am to oldtimefootball
coffee is for closers.
this man earned a giant pot in his 2nd full year recruiting.
it can be done
this man earned a giant pot in his 2nd full year recruiting.
it can be done
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:38 am to oldtimefootball
It's just something else for a handful of posters to bitch about endlessly.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:39 am to oldtimefootball
It all come down to Winning they want to win championships so in a way it his fault and Miles fault If not your just selling family ties to the state
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:02 pm to oldtimefootball
Da Coach O wasn't hired to try hard.
Giving maximum effort is assumed...
Giving maximum effort is assumed...
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:11 pm to oldtimefootball
quote:
If Coach Orgeron does everything in his power under NCAA recruiting guidelines and Kids like Sopsher and Stingley decide to sign with Alabama, why is that orgeron's fault?
Because no one gets paid $3M/year to try. This is a results business.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:16 pm to oldtimefootball
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If Coach Orgeron does everything in his power under NCAA recruiting guidelines and Kids like Sopsher and Stingley decide to sign with Alabama, why is that orgeron's fault?
Enough isn't enough.
When the main thing he was brought here to do was recruit and he can't even do that the best, why's he here? Where is his edge over the competition? If it's not recruiting I see no edge.
That's nothing personal to him. He's just not up to the job if his best isn't good enough.
If you're going to win in the SEC you have to have something to fall back on. If you do nothing at a top level, you're just going to be another team.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:21 pm to Goldrush25
Orgeron’s obit is in that binder, nobody but Orgeron prepared that “bill of goods”. He pulled it off now he waits to see if it gets shoved up his “sun don’t shine zone” and Alleva’s!!!
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:33 pm to oldtimefootball
We might lose out on Sopsher and that would hurt but we need Stingley! We are recruiting some big time Def tackles and I'm telling ya'll nothing new but our Def line is going to wreck havoc on offenses this year. Recruits will notice!
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:37 pm to mistert
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Orgeron’s obit is in that binder, nobody but Orgeron prepared that “bill of goods”. He pulled it off now he waits to see if it gets shoved up his “sun don’t shine zone” and Alleva’s!!!
What a really weird post. Even if it wasn't on the recruiting board. Just strange.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:51 pm to oldtimefootball
You’re seriously trying too hard but I’ll play. Because its supposed to be the one thing he can do well. He hasn’t done very well at it so far. Mainly in the lack of overall planning but we expected he’s screw that up. So, if the guy says he’s going to lock down the state and then fails, well, then its a fail. Don’t make it so easy to see through you lame attempt to lower the bar before a failure. It makes me worried
Posted on 4/30/18 at 1:10 pm to LSU Patrick
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It's just something else for a handful of posters to bitch about endlessly.
I take it you aren't a big college football guy?
"Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program, so you can't put anything above that"
noted LSU head coach mentor and national championship winning head coach Pete Carroll.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 1:20 pm to oldtimefootball
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If Coach Orgeron does everything in his power under NCAA recruiting guidelines and Kids like Sopsher and Stingley decide to sign with Alabama, why is that orgeron's fault?
Well, I see a lot of people blaming Les Miles for the "lack of talent" on the 2017 and 2018 rosters.
Does Edward not hold that same position?
Posted on 4/30/18 at 1:24 pm to Jaydeaux
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You’re seriously trying too hard but I’ll play. Because its supposed to be the one thing he can do well. He hasn’t done very well at it so far. Mainly in the lack of overall planning but we expected he’s screw that up. So, if the guy says he’s going to lock down the state and then fails, well, then its a fail. Don’t make it so easy to see through you lame attempt to lower the bar before a failure. It makes me worried
My GOD.....
The dummies.
When O took over, he had limited time to make the recruiting class his. And, he avoided disaster. He closed on some kids that we weren't even in the running for.
In his first full year, there were significant, and I mean significant holes in our roster. And unfortunately for him, he had to used Schollies to fortify certain areas that he otherwise would have used on more high profile players. But, it's what he had to do.
He also got a few players signed with LSU that everyone had written off, like Chase. The Surtain loss hurt, but with such limited numbers he had to trust Surtain and then it was too late to pull in someone else. I do think the only error is that he should have signed MG and dropped someone else much earlier in the process. (And to his (and everyone's) surprise, Tolliver left early).
I do also think he is failing at recruiting QB's. And if that doesn't change quickly, he needs to go. You cannot turn a program around without recruiting quality QB's each and every year.
To call him a failure though, is UTTERLY STUPID. He has actually has a very methodical approach to recruiting and has done just about everything right.
Year after year, we watched Miles over recruit certain positions and ignore areas of need. He also lost out on a ton of players and that hasn't happened nearly as much with O. O, by far, is managing the roster far better, and it will continue to get better (assuming he signs QB's).
But holy cow the football iq of our posters.....
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/30/18 at 1:43 pm to cra_cra
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In his first full year, there were significant, and I mean significant holes in our roster. And unfortunately for him, he had to used Schollies to fortify certain areas that he otherwise would have used on more high profile players. But, it's what he had to do.
So then miles didn’t squander a bunch of talent? I was told he did Les with more.
And LSU didn’t even use all 25 of its scholarships, so that’s wrong too.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 1:44 pm to LSU Patrick
So do you disagree with O’s mentor Pete Carroll?
Those aren’t my words.
Those aren’t my words.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 1:50 pm to cra_cra
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Year after year, we watched Miles over recruit certain positions and ignore areas of need. He also lost out on a ton of players and that hasn't happened nearly as much with O. O, by far, is managing the roster far better, and it will continue to get better (assuming he signs QB's).
I don't see how you can say this when Orgeron didn't sign a single CB, which was probably one of the biggest area's of need.
It seems like Orgeron is doing the exact same thing Miles was doing. He's neglected certain areas while heavily investing in others. The only difference is he's just flipped which is neglected and which is focused on from what Miles was doing.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 2:37 pm to Dave England
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So then miles didn’t squander a bunch of talent? I was told he did Les with more.
And LSU didn’t even use all 25 of its scholarships, so that’s wrong too.
What is that people can't understand? Yes, Miles had a lot of talent. But that doesn't mean that it's everywhere. That doesn't mean that there wasn't a lack of depth at certain positions (most notably the lines). He obviously never recruited QB's either.
And agin, the lack of IQ is showing. O had to allow more scholarship for areas that we had significant gaps in. By doing so, it took away scholarships that you normally have for more high profile players... thus affecting the almighty recruiting rankings that everyone is so hell bent on.
And the reason we didn't sign the full amount, is because O couldn't take a lot of the high profile players he wanted at the end (again, because he had to use more for the lines). This hurt him because there wasn't enough room for players like MG. Then when Surtain pulled his shite, there wasn't enough time to sign anyone else.
My gosh how short the memory of people. We debated for months who would get the last few. And that numbers were tight.
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/30/18 at 2:39 pm to oldtimefootball
Did O say he was going to "lock down" the state?
Link????
Was O "brought in" only to recruit?
Link????
He wasn't hired to win games?
He could win 2 natys a year and these pukes would still want him fired or worse!
I also notice that there is not ONE real answer to your question. The geniuses don't know, they can only throw crap.
Link????
Was O "brought in" only to recruit?
Link????
He wasn't hired to win games?
He could win 2 natys a year and these pukes would still want him fired or worse!
I also notice that there is not ONE real answer to your question. The geniuses don't know, they can only throw crap.
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