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Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:43 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:At least you got the last part right ...
love when I think I have a well-typed, eloquent post only to find that I've made myself look like an idiot haha.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:45 pm to BilJ
Also, I don't see how we can automatically discern none of these instate guys are 5 star worthy...
Hell, I'm pretty sure Trey Granier is more highly thought of right now than CJ Johnson was this time last year. CJ was kinda a lower rated 250 guy at the beginning of the process iirc... and didn't he go from like 140 to 5 star after the AA games?
Just way too early to judge this stuff... because I've seen Granier in top 100 lists.
Hell, I'm pretty sure Trey Granier is more highly thought of right now than CJ Johnson was this time last year. CJ was kinda a lower rated 250 guy at the beginning of the process iirc... and didn't he go from like 140 to 5 star after the AA games?
Just way too early to judge this stuff... because I've seen Granier in top 100 lists.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:46 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Recruiting class grade: A/A-
Recruiting job by the coaches: C+/B-
I can follow you that these 2 can be different grades. But I think you lose some folks with the huge gap between the grades.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:46 pm to joechristoppher77
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I'm not so sure Lewis may not be that in the future
The coaches didnt seem worried about our LB depth, and Miles def mentioned lewis being on the defensive side of the ball. Could be another one of those saftey sized guys being moved to lb.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:48 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Considering LSU has never signed the number 1 class under Miles I'd have to disagree with your claim that he signed "one of the best recruiting classes in history"
Probably why I said "one of the best" you even put it in quotes.
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Also, only people on Tigerdroppings would take offense to me complimenting Cooper and Wilson for their abilities.
I said nothing negative, I think they are wonderful recruiters. I also did not lead with something as silly as "the only saving grace for this coaching staff" shite. Only on Tigerdroppings would one say that stupid slop.
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Please tell me you realize how stupid this sounds.
Not NEARLY as stupid as grading the class an A and grading the efforts and effectiveness of those that signed them a C.
An A would indicate you cant do much better. A C would mean there was much room for improvement.
Please tell me you see how stupid your initial premise is...please.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:48 pm to Hot Carl
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I can follow you that these 2 can be different grades.
I agree... it should also be noted that some "great classes" could be total failures if they don't meet needs... and this class did that well.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:50 pm to tigerfoot
j/k
nice blog
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:51 pm to OBUDan
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1) Clemson always has a pull in Florida. They've landed a lot of big time Florida prospects... so it's not like "Oh why the hell is Clemson getting people and LSU can't?" It's a hell of a lot easier to pull Florida kids to Clemson than it is to LSU.
Sure Clemson has had pull in Florida but they've had no more success than we have. Why is it so much easier to pull a Florida kid to Clemson than it is to LSU? Florida kids grew up watching FSU, Miami and Florida win championships. It's indoctrinated in them that you win. Clemson hasn't won anything in 20 years. LSU off a double-digit winning season is 10x an easier sell than Clemson off a losing season.
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2) Which LBers do you want us to go after that we didn't?
If Chavis was an ace recruiter we would've signed one of Kendall Thompson or CJ Johnson.
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I'm just not getting what targets we're supposed to go. I think you're impression as an LSU fan is that EVERY kid wants to come here... and that's just not realistic.
Not under this impression at all. Simply under the impression that when a national power like LSU has an instate class to rival any in the last 10 years that they should seriously challenge for the top overall spot; we didn't this year.
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3) Texas recruiting was certainly weak this year, but I think that's part of the reasoning for bringing in Kragthorpe, who has Texas ties.
True but no one I've talked to sings his praises as a recruiter. He can't be worse than Crowton but it's not like we're signing a Jimbo Fisher type of OC who will kill it on the recruiting trail as well.
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4) Why are you using recruiting site rankings to judge against the effort? Your example of Bama and Auburn "out recruiting" us, citing the sites as a sample.
I'm not usually one to bitch about it, but there's a couple guys in this class that were certainly underrated/misevaluated. They'll end up proving to be better players than their rankings...
I agree with this completely but it's simply my attempt to be objective. I try to be as rational as I can, but it's impossible to not be somewhat biased for our commits. When comparing different classes I try to go by what the sites say simply because I feel they'll miss on some of other teams' recruits just like they did ours.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:52 pm to OBUDan
That is why the class is an A and the coaches get an A+.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:54 pm to dgnx6
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That is why the class is an A and the coaches get an A+.
What do you think was more difficult, LSU getting 3 instate 5 stars to sign or Clemson getting 4 out-of-state 5 stars to sign after having a losing record? If LSU's coaches get an A+ then do Clemson's get an A++++++?
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:56 pm to FootballNostradamus
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You want me to go through all of East Texas and type out who we should have pursued?
Yes, and please include who they should have taken the spot of and why? Also please list any abilities that make them a superior target.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 6:57 pm to dgnx6
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The coaches didnt seem worried about our LB depth, and Miles def mentioned lewis being on the defensive side of the ball. Could be another one of those saftey sized guys being moved to lb.
Good thing no coach has ever been wrong! And like I said, this constant need to move safeties to OLB has really hurt us at times on defense.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:00 pm to OBUDan
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I think you're impression as an LSU fan is that EVERY kid wants to come here... and that's just not realistic.
The the reason most OOS recruits come to LSU is because of Les Miles. Every family talks about his great character and integrity.I think Miles and his staff do a great job of evaluating talent. Just read that there are 300,000 senior football players in the US.There is no way the recruiting guru's see and evaluate all of them.Boise St. apparently does a great job evaluating talent as the majority of their players are 2* and they still compete with the big boys.
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:01 pm to FootballNostradamus
Dude you
don't get it.
Let me break this down very simply. When the nation knows this was the best top of a class in at Least a decade, and you sign 17/20 of them and you have Saban, Kiffin, Mullen, muschamp, Brown, Stoops, Kelly, Jimbo ect trying to pluck your top guys.....
Miles locked down La in times of the greatest assaults
from abroad. And most all of these guys had BEEN locked up. No Nsd drama for freak, hilliard, landry, magee, ect.
This alone deserves an A
don't get it.
Let me break this down very simply. When the nation knows this was the best top of a class in at Least a decade, and you sign 17/20 of them and you have Saban, Kiffin, Mullen, muschamp, Brown, Stoops, Kelly, Jimbo ect trying to pluck your top guys.....
Miles locked down La in times of the greatest assaults
from abroad. And most all of these guys had BEEN locked up. No Nsd drama for freak, hilliard, landry, magee, ect.
This alone deserves an A
This post was edited on 2/3/11 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:01 pm to FootballNostradamus
Derbs we all know you have a great eye for LBs
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:04 pm to FootballNostradamus
man, i've been an LSU fan and following our recruiting for a long time; probably longer than you've been alive. you are being way over critical. miles and his staff(s), with the exception of his first year, which is understandable, has done one hell of a great job recruiting. they have recruited every bit as good as saban (saban fricked us his last year) and arnsbarger and better than any other coach in my lifetime. he consistently brings in top 10 classes. yes, we didn't sign but one LB but you don't always get what you want. we signed a lot of beef (and a kicker) which tends to lower your avg star value and still ended up in top 10. i would rate the coaches as a solid A or A+. as far as east texas goes, we got one player and yes we usually get more. i'll bet you kragthorpe tears texas up in the future.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:06 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Why is it so much easier to pull a Florida kid to Clemson than it is to LSU?
Miami, FL to Clemson = 761 miles
Tampa, FL to Clemson = 544 miles
Miami, FL to Baton Rouge = 917 miles
Tampa, FL to Baton Rouge = 713 Miles
Regional... Clemson is still East Coast... closer to home... and that's probably the biggest factor in 80% of all decisions.
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If Chavis was an ace recruiter we would've signed one of Kendall Thompson or CJ Johnson.
Kendall Thompson wasn't as realistic as all the people on here made him out to be. It was a pipe dream all along and this whole myth that came about with him was kinda silly...
CJ wasn't leaving MS. God himself couldn't have gotten him here.
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Not under this impression at all.
Yet you're openly asking why we didn't pull Tony Steward, Stephone Anthony and CJ Johnson?
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True but no one I've talked to sings his praises as a recruiter. He can't be worse than Crowton but it's not like we're signing a Jimbo Fisher type of OC who will kill it on the recruiting trail as well.
Time will tell, but he's also never been at a school that's had a draw like LSU does. A&M gets the scraps in Texas that Texas/OU/LSU don't pillage... it's usually a 4th choice for a lot of kids.
Tulsa... leftovers. Louisville... leftovers.
I'm willing to see what he can do with a brand like LSU attached.
Could Chavis be a better recruiter? Probably... but most people who meet him come away immensely impressed... it could be an issue of him not putting in the hours... I dunno.
I just look up and down this class, and I don't think there's a single questionable guy... or even necessarily a guy that looks like a ST lifer (Ryan St. Julien, for instance). No class ever has a 100% hit rate, obviously, but it looks like every guy in this class could end up being an important contributor at some point.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:07 pm to LSU GrandDad
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we signed a lot of beef (and a kicker) which tends to lower your avg star value
And we will continue to have top flight kicking games, while other teams are up and down, I am certain this will go unnoticed.
Nice observation.
Posted on 2/3/11 at 7:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
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I mentioned that this was one of the deepest LB classes in a long time
this is my only complaint about the class, need to land some stud LBs for sure next year.
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