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re: Mike Davis...
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:27 pm to Maximus
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:27 pm to Maximus
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i'm sure the "i know you are but what am i" argument works well for you at the plant but you're failing pretty hard here.
Wow. You really want to bring our employment and standard of living into this? Seriously?
I'll stand on what's been said here. My position on Toliver is:
He drops more passes than he should
He doesn't really play big (make many plays in traffic over people)
He's on the end of more than his fair share of miscommunications with the QB
It's no sure thing that he runs sub 4.5
...and because of that, the recent reports of NFL teams having him graded in the 3rd-4th round right now are reasonable.
Your position on Toliver is that he's a sure fire 2nd round pick RIGHT NOW if he comes out because he FOR SURE would run a sub 4.5 forty and that in itelf with his height would guarantee that draft position.
Later.
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Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:31 pm to moneyg
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He doesn't really play big (make many plays in traffic over people)
you gathered this from the two times we've thrown over the middle in in traffic this season?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:43 pm to ProjectP2294
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you gathered this from the two times we've thrown over the middle in in traffic this season?
I'm not saying he doesn't have the ability. I'm saying that he doesn't make a lot of plays utilizing his height/size at this stage of his career. And, this only relates to where he would be drafted this year.
Do you think he's a very physical receiver?
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:45 pm to moneyg
if only you had the nuts to back up all that big talk
nfl scout you aint
nfl scout you aint
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:49 pm to moneyg
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Do you think he's a very physical receiver?
whether or not I think he's a physical receiver matters nil. You claimed he can't catch the ball in traffic, yet you can't substantiate the claim. So how can we believe that any of your other claims aren't baseless potshots at Toliver? We can't. So please stop flaming the board with your useless hatred of current LSU wide receivers, it just makes you look petty.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:53 pm to Maximus
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if only you had the nuts to back up all that big talk
I offered you a bet. You said no (actually you danced around it and called me names so you didn't have to admit to being a pussy).
Again, if he comes out and is picked in the 2nd or higher, you win. If he doesn't come out or comes out and is drafted in the 3rd or lower, I win. Pretty simple and seems to reflect each of our opinions on the subject.
Loser is banned forever. Deal?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:56 pm to ProjectP2294
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You claimed he can't catch the ball in traffic
No I didn't. Go back and read my posts. I said he doesn't make many plays over the top. It is relevant because Maximus' point is he's big and fast. My point is that teams aren't necessarily going to be in love with a guy who isn't playing like a big WR even if he's 6'4.
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So please stop flaming the board with your useless hatred of current LSU wide receivers, it just makes you look petty.
I think TT will be a late first/early 2nd if he comes back. I think he'll be a 3rd/4th if he comes out now. If you think that opinion is useless hatred, then I guess I'm guilty.
More likely, you just aren't taking the time to read my actual opinion and are assuming things that you shouldn't.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:58 pm to moneyg
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You claimed he can't catch the ball in traffic
No I didn't.
you said:
quote:
He doesn't really play big (make many plays in traffic over people)
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:04 pm to moneyg
your point was "oh here's a great opportunity to pile on anyone suggesting that it could be a good idea for an LSU player to ever leave early" and you've been crawfishing since.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:05 pm to ProjectP2294
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you said:
quote:
He doesn't really play big (make many plays in traffic over people)
Exactly. So, as it relates to his draft position this year, I think it is relevant. So, I'll ask you again. Do you think he's a physical WR right now? If you don't, then we have the same opinion.
Do you think he's going to be much better by this time next year? If you do, then we still have the same opinion.
Like I said, you are reading something into my posts that isn't there. But, you can go ahead and assume that I'm hating on our WRs if you want.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:08 pm to moneyg
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Do you think he's a physical WR right now?
Once again, it doesn't matter what I think, you stated that he isn't a physical receiver so the burden of proof is on you. Yet, you can't come up with anything to actually prove that he isn't so you keep trying to spin the argument in different directions.
I don't have to prove I'm right, because thus far you can't prove that you are.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:09 pm to Maximus
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your point was "oh here's a great opportunity to pile on anyone suggesting that it could be a good idea for an LSU player to ever leave early" and you've been crawfishing since.
Not even close. I dare you to find one post of mine that says anything even remotely close to that. This is just something else you pulled out of your arse.
I'll even go further and say that if I'm wrong, and Toliver grades out higher than I expect that he ABSOLUTELY SHOULD enter the draft. And, I'll go even further and say that, with very few exceptions, every player graded in the 1st round should go early.
My dispute with your opinion is with your assumption that he's a surefire 2nd rounder right now. I don't agree with that and my guess is that my opinion is probably in the majority.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:16 pm to ProjectP2294
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Once again, it doesn't matter what I think, you stated that he isn't a physical receiver so the burden of proof is on you. Yet, you can't come up with anything to actually prove that he isn't so you keep trying to spin the argument in different directions.
Dude, it's an opinion. I don't have to prove anything. It is my opinion that he's not very physical right now (in other words, he doesn't take advantage of his size). And, I think it would affect his draft position if he comes out this year.
I'm certainly not trying to say he will never take advantage of his height. In fact, I'm pretty much saying the opposite. I'm saying another year will do a lot for him.
I'm not sure why this hurts your feelings.
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:19 pm to moneyg
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I'm not sure why this hurts your feelings.
Your opinion doesn't hurt my feelings. The fact that you hold so tightly to an opinion that you can't back up is rather insulting to anyone who enjoys debating though.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:25 pm to ProjectP2294
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Your opinion doesn't hurt my feelings. The fact that you hold so tightly to an opinion that you can't back up is rather insulting to anyone who enjoys debating though.
Look around. It's a message board. Offering unsubstantiated opinions is pretty common. I don't have video of every TT catch. I'm going by memory of the plays he's made and I don't recall many where he used his size to make a play. The only thing remotely close to that I can remember was a fade pass against Auburn and I don't even think he outjumped the guy on that one.
So, what is your opinion on where TT would be drafted if he comes out this year? Are you willing to answer that or am I just going to get the "my opinion on that doesn't matter" answer?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:37 pm to moneyg
I haven't really looked in to it enough to have an informed opinion about it. So, in an effort to not make the same mistake I called you out on, I won't make a statement on where I think he would get drafted.
FWIW, I have nothing against you, I just pick one argument (whether I agree with the underlying opinion or not) to pick on each day, to make sure I can still think clearly (it's a mental exercise). Yours just happened to be the first one I read today.
FWIW, I have nothing against you, I just pick one argument (whether I agree with the underlying opinion or not) to pick on each day, to make sure I can still think clearly (it's a mental exercise). Yours just happened to be the first one I read today.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:40 pm to ProjectP2294
Wow.
This is one of the most intense, longest hijackings of a thread in a long time.
Well done, gentlemen.
This is one of the most intense, longest hijackings of a thread in a long time.
Well done, gentlemen.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:48 pm to GABlueDog
This thread is full of fail.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:55 pm to Message Board User
I thought that Davis was gone when I saw this had reached 8 pages.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:56 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Yeah, turns out the rumor isn't even referring to him 
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