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N2daWild
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Jordan Moko
Just a few things I picked up from his twitter. 3.8 GPA, hard worker, hustler on the field and in the gym. Athletic, quick feet, can dunk, flexible and former rugby player. At 330lbs doesn't show much body fat.

The future cast are for A&M but I would say this is still open. He is in Australia right now but should be back at the beginning of the year and the recruiting battle will commence.

If Savion Jones is indeed in then we have 4 spots left. Gilbert and Thomas are the two non OL prospects that we are seriously courting. If they both sign with us then we only have 2 OL spots left. We are looking at 4 OL prospects seriously, Kimo, Wilson, Leigh and Moko.

Even if Gilbert and Thomas sign elsewhere, I still don't think we take more than 3 more OL. Kimo and Wilson are leaning LSU but Moko and Leigh are maybe the most talented. It will be interesting to see which of the four we land in the end. I will be a little disappointed if Moko is not one of them.


kajunman
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Moko will end up the best of the o linemen you named. I would rather him than any other of the o linemen including Leigh. Aggy keeps building their lines, LSU needs to keep up.


PowahCajun
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You are 100% right in my opinion. Moko already comes into the program in outstanding physical condition. He doesn't need to be reshaped into a high caliber SEC offensive lineman physically.

We really need to land this kid badly regardless of what happens with Leigh. There is a good chance this kid can become a great O-Lineman.

We need to hire a really good O-Lineman coach that is great at teaching the fundamentals of good positional technique and blocking. In addition the O-line coach needs to be an excellent recruiter, and it's pretty apparent that Cregg has neither of those skills. I don't think it's clear what skills Cregg has to offer at this point at all. From last year it looked like the improvement in O-Line play came from the starters staying healthy for a whole season and being able to play together, and there were still a few games where we didn't look great.
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BayouBengal99
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it's pretty apparent that Cregg has neither of those skills.


Come on, you honestly believe that Cregg would still be here if he didn’t provide any value to the OL and team? He may not be the best recruiter in the world but he definitely can coach. Our OL was atrocious before he got here. It needed a total overhaul and he’s done that. Without instate talent it’s not easy to go grab OOS 5* and 4* talent when the home school is recruiting them just as hard.

Regardless of what you think of our OL last year or why they were so good, he helped them win the best OL award. He’s landed 5* and 4* talent when given the opportunity to recruit in state talent. They just aren’t as good as we hoped at this time. He’s gotten in late on some OL talent and has their attention so he must be ok in the recruiting department.

We’ll see if he can load up when he has some instate talent at his disposal. Which he will next year. I’ll judge then. Our OL definitely improved and the credit has to be given to Cregg for that improvement. You can’t knock him for the things that go wrong and then not give credit when things improve. We wouldn’t be able to keep any coach if we held them all to that standard. We’ll see how he ends this cycle as well.


PowahCajun
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If Cregg is as great of a teacher of blocking fundamentals as you believe, then what in the world is the explanation of the terrible on field performance this year?

I'll give you that the O-line's pass blocking was much better in our last two games vs Florida and Ole Piss, but they were absolutely horrible all season long in the run game. Our run game was one of the worst LSU run games we've ever had this year. Jordan Moko being an LSU tiger and adding other talent will certainly help for sure, but we need a better O-Line teacher to get the most out of that talent.
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kajunman
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If Cregg is as great of a teacher of blocking fundamentals as you believe, then what in the world is the explanation of the terrible on field performance this year?


Talent ? Ingram was good. The others don't appear all that talented or have the want to be great. Dare could be great and he turned it on a little in the last 2 games. Shanahan consistently got pushed backwards. Hines looked befuddled most of the season. Deculus is what he is and has maxed out. Without better options, what is Cregg supposed to do ?


dstone12
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I want to know why you like moko over anyone else.

I haven’t seen any film so I’m interested in this.


PowahCajun
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Member since Dec 2020
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re: Jordan Moko
He's supposed to coach the guys up we have available, and get the most out of that talent.

We had extremely poor offensive line play this year. I would expect a great O-Line coach to get better results out of even average talent at that position.

Major improvement needs to happen at offensive line next year for us to make a major leap in our win\loss record for 2021.


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N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
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re: Jordan Moko
The film on him is poor quality against poor competition. You can see him driving kids half his size 10 yards up the field before knocking them over. All you really can gather is he moves good for a big man and he hustles.

My only knock against him is his lack of experience. It's like a white belt fighting a smaller black belt. My money is still on the black belt. His work ethic and smarts suggest he will figure it out, but how long? Rugby is not a sissy game, but will he be able to handle the toughness of american football.


PowahCajun
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Those are fair concerns, as far as a lack of experience playing american football goes, and the quality of competition he has faced up to this point.

These are reasons why I believe we need a major upgrade for our O-Line coach. I do not see Cregg as the guy to teach great fundamentals and proper technique to inexperienced offensive lineman. Judging from the lack of development from a number of our freshman and sophomore lineman, it seems pretty clear we need a better option for our O-Line coach.




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doubleb
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I want to know why you like moko over anyone else.

I haven’t seen any film so I’m interested in this.


Moko hasn’t played a lot of football. He’s a project. He’s not a Damien Lewis who played right away.


LSU_30A
Member since Jan 2019
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re: Jordan Moko
I think O would be smart to full court press on Moko since he has 4 to play 4 and you there are obvious raw tools to work with. I just feel like we are too far behind on Leigh but I could be wrong. You get Moko in the building and let him learn for a year and adjust to the speed of the game and then you could have a very good starting RT for 3 years.


PowahCajun
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re: Jordan Moko
That's exactly my thinking as well. Moko has 4 yrs to play 4, and is not coming in as an obese slob. The kid has all kinds of raw athletic ability, size, and strength to work with.

This kid can be molded into something very special with the right O-Line coach.


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Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
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"You get Moko in the building and let him learn for a year and adjust to the speed of the game and then you could have a very good starting RT for 3 years."
Maybe we should give the same consideration to Dumervil, Martinez, and maybe Hill. Bradford has had more time but his great feet---and a necessary loss of 30lb---could make him the above mentioned starting RT. When he played, Martinez looked comfortable/confident and performed at the speed of the game---a big positive from a true freshman.
Hines at 330 is a different player than now. Many problems were caused by incorrect calls by Shanny. Expect that to be corrected. Did anyone else notice Wire playing LG inside of Dare? I like what he showed when thrown into the fire at LT. Whether included w/OL or not---Joseph Evans is a damn good football player.
Wilson should be ready to play. Dellinger and Kiko will get a shot to contribute right away. Will they need the year to get up to speed?
I'm not forgetting Turner and Thomas. Didn't see any of Turner. Thomas---unlike Martinez---was tentative and unsure of himself. Did anyone else notice he looked shorter than advertised? More than even Bradford, this dude needs to drop 20-30lbs to be any kind of contributor.
Hopefully, Leigh comes here and is a stud starter from day 1. Short of him being the second coming of A. Whitworth, Moko---if he comes here---would need time to acclimate.
Apparently, next year's HS in state OL class is the best in years so it's odds on we pull at least 2 of the guys we really want.
Look, busting the Coaches chops isn't a black/white issue. Every Coach, Boss, Manager, Supervisor, or anyone in a position of responsibility knows that the player, salesman, technician, etc... who performs best is the one who can take what he learns, internalize it to the point of being second nature, and---most importantly---EXECUTE IT ON THE FIELD! Is recruiting this type of player imperative? Of course. Maybe if you want to bust chops, that is where some fault could be laid but the problem that comes into play is you can't win without talented players and for the most part these kids have been able to perform at an elite HS level on sheer physicality.
Obviously, I'm not as pessimistic about our current/future OL situation as some of the other posters.
I'll borrow something from Professional Baseball (my world) that applies to all athletes but spare you their lengthy explanations.
We want Players who are or can develop into being:
1) RELENTLESSLY COMPETENT to ABOVE AVERAGE at their position(s).
2) OCCASIONALLY EXCELLENT at their positon(s).
Now, with all that being said---let the downvotes begin!


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