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re: Jonah Williams - Bayou Splash Attendee, Two Sport Athlete

Posted on 7/24/24 at 8:48 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/24/24 at 8:48 am to
No, he is a football player when it’s said & done. Prob a future LB
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 7/24/24 at 8:52 am to
Exactly what I thought you would say. But you sure like a good debate.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285152 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:40 am to
You feel better now I hope
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
7632 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:46 am to
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You forget that Kyler Murray was 1st rd NFL draft pick and 1st rd MLB draft pick?

Yeah but he also wasn't very good at Oklahoma. He was basically Brady Neal. He wasn't bad, but he had no business being the 9th overall pick. It was moronic of Oakland.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1976 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:33 am to
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What I don’t get, is how the big time athletes and alpha males can go to aTm on a visit and not be scratching their heads when they do all of their yell leader shite. How can they actually watch that shite and not think it’s gay



Look, I have been beating this drum for over a decade, so you'll certainly never catch me defending those weirdos, but to answer your question I'd say that it's probably because, well, it doesn't affect these athletes in any way whatsoever. It's not like the football players are gonna be forced to hang around these guys on campus, nor will they be attending the weird pre-game speech/cheer things. The only time they'll ever even be physically present while those dorks are doing their thing will be during the games... and given that these guys will actually be *playing in the game* I can't imagine they will ever have much awareness of the cheerleaders. Again, I hate a&m more than just about anyone, but based on all of that, it would actually be pretty strange if a kid who otherwise felt A&M was their best choice decided to go somewhere else on the basis of the weirdo cheerleader dudes.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 11:34 am
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1976 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:50 am to
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[Kyler Murray] also wasn't very good at Oklahoma ... [and] had no business being the 9th overall pick



My friend, hitting .296/.398/.556 with double-digit HR as a centerfielder, in your first extended action since HS, while not even focusing on the sport full time is, believe it or not, actually very good.


Per fangraphs, Kyler had above-average raw power - if you pair that with plus-plus wheels, a good arm, and good centerfield defense, you've got a guy who barely needs to be able to hit at all in order to be an average every-day player. Any org that expected kyler to make progress with his hit tool (i.e. hitting for contact) once he started focusing on baseball full-time would've been WELL justified in spending a top-10 pick on him - and elite multi-sport athletes are about as good a bet to improve/develop as anyone. As a prospect, the centerfield defense gave him a fantastic baseline, and the power and perceived projection (since he hadn't spent nearly as much time on baseball as his peers) made his upside enormous. Wasn't unreasonable at all for OAK to take him where they took him.


Here's the scouting report from FG (written by a guy who now works for the Atlanta Braves):

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Murray was a nationally-known superstar quarterback in high school and, though he played shortstop as well, it was assumed that Murray would be the heir apparent to Johnny Manziel at Texas A&M. A shoulder injury limited Murray to DH'ing as a senior in high school and Murray formally opted out of the draft by refusing to submit to MLB's pre-draft medical disclosure. He went to A&M but split time with Kyle Allen as a freshman. Each of them transferred, Murray to Oklahoma, where he backed up Heisman winner and #1 overall pick, Baker Mayfield. For much of this time, Murray wasn't playing baseball.

Football at A&M and the time missed due to NCAA transerring rules limited Murray to 64 college plate appearances before this season. Despite it, he has been electric, showing even more physical ability than he had in high school and performing, slashing .290/.390/.550. He shows everything scouts could want to see after this kind of layoff and his only clear weakness is swing-and-miss against good off-speed stuff, both somewhat allowed with his power-based approach. And even more forgiveable when you consider he hasn't seen good pitching on a regular basis at any point in his baseball career. Given these factors, there's a reasonable chance he may be able to close that hole in his game with reps.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 11:54 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92601 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 10:42 am to
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only Deion, Bo and Brian Jordan have really been able to play 2 sports successfully.


This is pretty strong. I know it is some ways back, but in 1956 Jim Brown was 5th in the Heisman voting while also possibly being the best lacrosse player in NCAA history.

Charlie Ward?

Wilt Chamberlain? Jim Thorpe? Banks McFadden?
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