Started By
Message

re: John Diarse gets his offer

Posted on 1/29/12 at 8:18 am to
Posted by nevilletiger79
Monroe
Member since Jan 2009
17570 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 8:18 am to
I said nothing about censoring comments...I made the statement about the comment about his father and gf whether it was a jab at saban or not john might have seen it as a remark toward his family...comments about these kids aren't the problem its when it crosses the line is there a problem. Talking about his abilities and where he is going to school is one thing. Probably 95% of these kids and parents are making very difficult decisions honestly. They want to play at next level and what's best for their child...its the other 5% that gives the whole recruiting process a bad name. It might be something some of ya'll should think about before making venomous comments about 16/17 kids and parents. Most people when pushed enough will go another direction.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92580 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 8:25 am to
quote:

Who is Hootie?


I'll play - Darius Rucker?
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48408 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 8:35 am to
quote:

And the Bama fear burns on.

It's not fear;
Yes it is.

quote:

One of the all-time greatest college football coaches, the one who wore a houndstooth hat, was quoted by his biographer as saying that having a successful college football program was determined by: 90% recruiting and 10% coaching.

quote:

In other words, your recruits ARE YOUR PROGRAM.

quote:

Only feeding the flames are LSU chicken little fans that think a FEW recruits are more important than a whole program.


Your reading comprehension skills are clouded by your fear of Crimson.

To think LSU didn't get any great recruits this year is just stupid.
So we lost a few.

Your logic would say losing Janzen Jackson to Tenn. would make Tenn. better and more competitive against LSU last year since he was #1 at his position.

After LSU lost McKnight did the team crumble?

All I'm saying is get behind the team and the players.

No recruit that is thinking of coming to LSU wants to read all this negative bullshite and neither do I.

Posted by nevilletiger79
Monroe
Member since Jan 2009
17570 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 8:37 am to
Laurence "hootie" Jones 6'2 200 soph from Neville shut down db should be a high recruit when time comes . Nice comment cadello
This post was edited on 1/29/12 at 8:39 am
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48408 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 8:42 am to
quote:

Probably 95% of these kids and parents are making very difficult decisions honestly. They want to play at next level and what's best for their child...its the other 5% that gives the whole recruiting process a bad name.
I agree with this

quote:

comments about these kids aren't the problem
quote:

its when it crosses the line is there a problem.
quote:

It might be something some of ya'll should think about before making venomous comments about 16/17 kids and parents. Most people when pushed enough will go another direction.
And i agree with this

Some of the people making negative comments here are fans of other schools. this board should be monitored better.
The LSU fans making these remarks is un-excuseable.
Posted by MonroeTiger80
Member since Dec 2004
523 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 9:01 am to
Laurence "hootie" Jones 6'2 200 soph from Neville shut down db should be a high recruit when time comes . Nice comment cadello

Here's Hootie lockin' down Karr's Arizona commit, Jerrell Bennett in the championship game. He had one interception on a pass intended for Bennett later in the game. In the game Bennett caught one pass for 9 yards.

Miles should be on him now.

This post was edited on 1/29/12 at 9:14 am
Posted by horndog
*edited by ADMIN
Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 9:01 am to
Cadello, you probably need to update your negatiger list.
Posted by William Munny
In the woods.
Member since Jul 2011
331 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 9:46 am to
You are correct. Miles needs to be on Hootie now. He will be a 5 star.
Posted by horndog
*edited by ADMIN
Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 9:56 am to
Hootie stripped a WR after a reception in Karr game too. The thing about him is that no one knows how big he is going to get. I think he will be between 6'2"- 6'4" when he is a senior, but I'm guessing.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23557 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 10:53 am to
quote:

Read what you wrote and tell me what I was supposed to gain from this dummy.


Posters that matter understand perfectly what I'm saying, mostly the ones I previously responded to.

Don't hurt yourself. It's over your head, probably because the one between your legs, horndog, has a higher IQ.
Posted by horndog
*edited by ADMIN
Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 11:00 am to
quote:

Posters that matter understand perfectly what I'm saying, mostly the ones I previously responded to.


Ok, dummy.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23557 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 11:19 am to
quote:

If you don't believe these kids read the recruiting forums of the schools they are interested in to see what that school's fans are saying about them, then everything is fine. Say what you want. Let it rip.


I think the ones immature enough to make life-changing decisions based on anonymous comments made on a message board will inevitably fail.

I feel secure enough with the program I support, both emotionally and financially, to say I don't want that program chasing after SuperSophs that require more attention than the rest. No one in this thread is saying that Diarse is that kind of kid, except you.

Chasing kids like that results in probation, with celebrity coach status carrying the day, and ending with that coach's departure. Miles has proven his loyalty, probably to a fault. I don't know how anyone can objectively look at LSU's roster, and complain.

If a program's Junior Day offer is not sufficient for a potential recruit, you are begging to collect the wrong kind of kids. You more than likely won't be satisified when colleges begin Sophomore Day. You'll be bitching that LSU should be catering to attention whoring freshmen.

I happen to think there is a direct correlation between a kid's maturity level and how much of his potential he eventually realizes. I am in full support of building our program with mature candidates. All or none of this discussion may apply to Diarse. I have few clues with which to base an opinion, in other words, I have no idea. But, I'm pretty sure where you stand, and I'll choose to stay a good distance away.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61516 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 11:28 am to
Yeah you're wrong. You're saying LSU should not contact Leonard Fournette until NEXT January. That's a good way to reel in shitty classes for LSU.
This post was edited on 1/29/12 at 11:36 am
Posted by pawprints
La
Member since Mar 2008
565 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 11:34 am to
I think he was already offered last year.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23557 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Most people when pushed enough will go another direction.


That might be the case, but when dealing with high profile recruits and programs, give me an example where you don't find this.

Doesn't it really depend on where and what you're looking for? Does the state and/or team really matter?

No.

Ultimately, the kid is what matters. In this case, it looks as though a potential recruit favored Alabama over LSU. How unbelievable is it that in the entire internet Cosmos that an LSU fan on an LSU message board would senselessly, and in your words, venomously, make a personal attack against him?
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23557 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 11:50 am to
quote:

contact


Well, there's a word with multiple meanings.

quote:

you're wrong


You may be right. But, I know where I stand on issues related to offering full scholarships, and if a full ride offered during your junior year is not good enough, so be it.

How many academic scholarships are awarded during a potential scholar's junior year of high school? I attended LSU on a full academic scholarship, and I wasn't offered until after Spring Testing of my senior year.

quote:

That's a good way to reel in shitty classes for LSU


I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. This staff has been at it for 7 years under Miles, and I haven't seen anything but earlier offers from the time he arrived. Classes filling up faster than they did when Saban was here.

You got a major problem with the roster right now? You're chasing the Dragon, man. You're a good poster, but you may want to put more thought into this one.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61516 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 12:15 pm to
I have no issues with the roster. I'm saying waiting until their junior years is too late. Then I pointed out a player LSU has been on long before his junior year. That player is a perfect example of what I've been talking about on here. Nola player, no problem pursuing his freshman year. Monroe stud? Meh can wait until after his junior year.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23557 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 12:29 pm to
Ohhhhhh, I get it now.

I didn't realize this was a civil war.

You're going to have a hard time making me believe LSU hasn't done anything in the realm of "contact" Diarse prior to the completion of his junior year.

I'm sure there were no letters, no correspondence. I'm sure Saban's above moving in on kid's from an entire area that feel slighted in some way. Is this a Cowboys vs. Saints struggle, too?

I remember back in the day, when NOLA's talent was flowing OOS, but I don't recall such a mass exodus from North LA. I'm sure the two of us could quickly fill a list of Monroe area talent that went on to great success at LSU. I'd probably have a hard time making a list of those that went elsewhere and did as well.

quote:

Nola player, no problem pursuing his freshman year. Monroe stud? Meh can wait until after his junior year.


Really? Sounds like a red-headed stepchild. You're better than that. Have you considered a ULL team symbol by your name?
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
31907 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 2:51 pm to
First let me say the I have no problems with recruiting by the LSU staff.

Second-this linked article and my comments have nothing to do with Diarse but it has everything to do with early offers.

quote:


If a program's Junior Day offer is not sufficient for a potential recruit, you are begging to collect the wrong kind of kids


I posted this ESPN Recruiting article on this board in July. I left the comments that I originally posted at the bottom as they are still my feelings about giving earlier offers.

quote:

You'll never hear a college football prospect say patience is a virtue.

In the constantly accelerating recruiting world, prospects want their scholarship offers yesterday. These days, they say simply being the first to offer is reason enough to consider a school and not offering early is a sign of disrespect.

Case in point: four-star tailback William Mahone. The Youngstown (Ohio) Austintown Fitch prospect was offered a scholarship by Tennessee in June, long after schools including Penn State and Michigan State extended offers during his junior season. The delay put doubt in Mahone's eyes.

"I've been talking to [the Vols] since my junior year when I started getting my offers, but they never pulled the trigger, I guess because they were looking for something else," the nation's No. 14 running back said.

The wait-and-see approach used by some programs like Tennessee can turn into a wait-and-oh-he's-gone result despite a coach's best intentions. Mahone concedes that the SEC is the best conference in the nation, but he's not even sure he'll explore his one option there.

"It would be nice to get down there but if I can't, then it's not that big of a priority to me," he said.

Perhaps Tennessee's recent struggles (6-7 last season and NCAA penalties looming) continue to be a challenge in recruiting more than late offers. Perhaps not.

But all Mahone knows is he didn't get an offer until just recently and it makes him wonder just how important he is to the Vols.

"A little bit, but [Tennessee assistant] coach [Peter] Sirmon always called and checked up on me," Mahone said. "But yeah, it's kind of a concern.
"



Some quotes from Derick Dooley about losing kids because another team offered earlier.

quote:

"If you don't [offer early], you can find yourself playing catch-up with a recruit," Dooley said. "Everybody wants to be that first team to offer, but I don't think at the end of the day that has a lot of significance. But you also don't want to be so late in the game that the player feels like you didn't have an interest in him.

"I don't think ultimately that's why a player goes to a school. I think it will keep that school in the game a little longer on some guys, but it's not often that a player chooses a school because it's the first offer."

"Our resources have to get spread a little bit," Dooley said. "When you're in a state that has a deep recruiting base, you can keep your area pretty tight. The coaches get a good feel for that area.

"I think back to my times as an assistant at LSU where I had a very small area that had a lot of players every year. Because of that you form a lot of relationships with the coaches. You know the freshmen, the sophomores and the juniors and seniors that are good on the football team. It's hard to do that if you're kind of spread out thin and you can't go back to that school every time you go to that area."


Here is an interesting un-attributed quote:

quote:

The natural inclination is to feel sorry for the players, but that's too simplistic. Coaches are also under new pressures with the advancement of the recruiting calendar and, in the SEC, annual scholarship limitations. Coaches have to be ready to offer scholarships early, which means evaluating prospects' character as well as their athleticism.

"The family members are trying to get their kids scholarships and they're panicking," said one coach in a BCS conference. "It has changed the game completely. You better get a relationship with a player when he's a sophomore or you'll be out of the game because they get their feelings hurt so quick. 'Why did you offer me late?' They don't want to hear that we're trying to cover our bases and get to know who you are, all that kind of stuff. They say, 'You should have offered my kid already.'"


Quotes from Mark Richt (LSU has similar problems):

quote:

Georgia coach Mark Richt said not offering an in-state prospect can put the Bulldogs in a permanent trail position for a prospect.

"If you get your class nailed down a year in advance and all of a sudden some of those guys didn't keep progressing like you thought and some other guys came up, [you say] 'Man, I wish I had waited and offered that kid because I like this guy better than I like that guy.' Some people find a way to dump that guy and take that [other] guy. At Georgia, if we offer and he commits to us, we're not dumping him."

"What happens sometimes is some out-of-state schools, they'll go blazing through the state offering a lot of guys," he said.

Which puts the Bulldogs in a tough situation. If they offer early, they can be stuck with a player who didn't develop as the coaches hoped or expected he would. If they offer late, a player gets his feelings hurt. As for the out-of-state program, it can offer early with little repercussions. If a prospect doesn't develop, it stops calling the player and he gets the message. No formal announcement need be made. The scholarship was never technically pulled.


I hate the way LSU is having to offer kids earlier now than in the past but if other schools are doing it you have to do it.

I think a lot is this stems from Mack Brown's practice of getting all of his in-state guys committed so early. People saw that and started copying it.

On the edge programs like Tennessee was under Kiffin, started going into other states offering early. (Think Freak)

Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61516 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 3:27 pm to
Wahoo, I was kidding around.
first pageprev pagePage 7 of 8Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram