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Posted on 2/4/11 at 1:04 am to Hitchcock
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He did,
I'm talking while he was here. If Miles didn't like RB by committee when Fisher was still employed with LSU, Miles could have put the brakes on that philosophy before firing him.
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he got rid of Fisher & won the NC.
Winning the NC was great but we then proceeded to have bad offense the past 2 years and Fisher wasn't here. Miles' background is offense but he allowed bad offense to happen. Our Wr's should have had a big time QB throwing to them the past 2 years.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 1:37 am to Rocket
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I'm talking while he was here. If Miles didn't like RB by committee when Fisher was still employed with LSU, Miles could have put the brakes on that philosophy before firing him.
Fisher was getting love pumped his direction from the TAF for 2003. But Auburn was Fisher's Waterloo. Exposed and "Encouraged to pursue employment elsewhere".
This post was edited on 2/4/11 at 2:02 am
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:36 am to Hitchcock
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But Auburn was Fisher's Waterloo. Exposed and "Encouraged to pursue employment elsewhere".
If you want to give Miles credit for all the wins, he has to take the blame for all the losses as well. Miles was in charge for that game. He was involved with game planning all that week. The buck stops with him. He's an offensive minded coach. His share of the blame is greater than you will ever acknowledge.
This post was edited on 2/4/11 at 4:18 am
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:29 am to Rocket
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If you want to give Miles credit for all the wins, he has to take the blame for all the losses as well. Miles was in charge for that game. He was involved with game planning all that week. The buck stops with him.
Correct. Miles 62 Negatigers17
quote:He's the Head Coach; he's involved with Recruiting, Offense, Defense & Special Teams. And many other things, not talked about here.
He's an offensive minded coach.
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He share of the blame is greater than you will ever acknowledge.
So...Jimbo Fisher employed by LSU, to Coordinate the 2006 LSU Offense, is not to be held accountable for the job he was hired to do?
This post was edited on 2/4/11 at 3:31 am
Posted on 2/4/11 at 4:08 am to geaux99
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No Max, it was definitely all Jimbo. And the last few years of incompetent offensive playcalling and lack of discipline is squarely on Crowton's head. Now that he's gone, though everything is perfect...Miles hired the best guy for the job, they're good buddies...hell, they even finish each others sentences. Everything's gonna be fantastic. 2 years from now, this board will be calling for Krags head and hoping Les makes another great OC hire. LSU should supplement the salary of the OC position...it will work as a cost of living adjustment, but we'll call it the "Scapegoat Incentive." It's money paid to the LSU OC to entice him to be the OC despite having to take the blame for the woes of the team.
Don't try to convert that Maxipad. He has a gay thing for Miles. Check his post history.He bashes Miles in 99% of his posts.
You make too much sense for the Madden players here. I agree with your post!
Posted on 2/4/11 at 4:14 am to Hitchcock
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Correct. Miles 62 Negatigers17
But you have no problem praising Miles for wins and are reluctant to criticize him for the Auburn loss and only Jimbo for that game.
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He's the Head Coach; he's involved with Recruiting, Offense, Defense & Special Teams. And many other things, not talked about here.
Of course. He can override everything the offensive coordinator wants to do.
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So...Jimbo Fisher employed by LSU, to Coordinate the 2006 LSU Offense, is not to be held accountable for the job he was hired to do?
Not if Les Miles isn't.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 6:56 am to Rocket
quote:Jimbo failed to achieve the desired goal of achieving offense. Les did the correct thing, he canned him. Or if you prefer, he strongly encouraged him to seek other job opportunities.
But you have no problem praising Miles for wins and are reluctant to criticize him for the Auburn loss and only Jimbo for that game.
quote:Yes he can & does. The purpose of a coordinator, is to do his job. When he fails, he is gone. There is not a want to babysit coordinators, as well as oversee the entire LSU Football program.
Of course. He can override everything the offensive coordinator wants to do.
This post was edited on 2/4/11 at 6:58 am
Posted on 2/4/11 at 7:35 am to Hitchcock
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He's the Head Coach; he's involved with Recruiting, Offense, Defense & Special Teams. And many other things, not talked about here.
Right but only when it's bad not when it's good. Just look a posts by jokers like Max. He'll blame Les for AU 06 but never Saban for any of the bad offense like UF in 03.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 7:38 am to Rocket
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Not if Les Miles isn't.
Of course he's at fault too, just like mighty Saban for losing ot UF at home in 03.
The point is, tools will try to lay that one specifically on Miles. The cool thing is, Les is our coach for a while and the neagmiles can cry all they want. It wont change shite.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 8:36 am to GOP_Tiger
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he word isn't used much (if ever) in most of north LA. I don't think I heard it until I got to LSU.
Au contraire, mon frere. I grew up in the northeasternmost part of Louisiana, and have known the word since childhood. Even us rednecks in my home area were familiar with the word.
BTW, the La. Tech yearbook is called "Lagniappe." So anyone with connections to Tech is familiar with the word. (My mother graduated from Tech, but reared me to go to LSU. She loves Tech and LSU).
Posted on 2/4/11 at 10:15 am to DandyD
Posted on 2/4/11 at 2:34 pm to Hitchcock
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Jimbo failed to achieve the desired goal of achieving offense
That's not just the OC's responsibility. It's the head coach's as well. The buck stops with him. He makes the most money. The head coach and the OC and offensive staff game plan together all week. The head coach is the boss and he sets the tone for the program.
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Yes he can & does
That's why if our offense fails to be competent, Miles should share in the blame, for he is complicit.
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The purpose of a coordinator, is to do his job. When he fails, he is gone
But, it's his boss' job to see he does his job. The buck stops with the head coach. Either you are coaching it or letting it happen.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:00 pm to Rocket
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Winning the NC was great but we then proceeded to have bad offense the past 2 years
when are you clowns going to grasp what the dismissal of RP did to the qb progression? it's like he never existed to some of you and if you forced yourselves to look at the situation honestly you'd break out in hives. the only thing wrong with our offense the last two yrs was qb play and that is directly attributable to JJ and JL having to play before they were ready and when they should have been ready they could not execute because Crowton dropped the ball. Crowton is gone and has been replaced with a "real" OC/QB coach with excellent credentials and a Miles-like mindset that is based in a prostyle power run game that will take full advantage of any one foolish enough to stack '8 men in the box'.
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Our Wr's should have had a big time QB throwing to them the past 2 years.
and these so-called "big time qb" just grow on trees and all Miles has to do is pluck one....yeah right. get a clue.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:41 pm to byubengalboy
First off, go frick yourself
I'm just playing Hitchcock's game. Over the years, under different screen names, Cock has criticized other coaches for not having adequate QB's by saying they should have recruited better. Same goes for Miles, using his logic.
You want honesty? Our backup plan for not having Rp on the team wasn't all that great.
Sounds like not-so-good recruiting and coaching decisions took place for us to be in this position. It's not like I have been that critical of Miles the past 2 years but you still miss the point on my statement you quoted.
Good stuff. Can't wait to see our offense purr.
Miles recruits for LSU, one of the 2 teams in the country to win 2 BCS national title games in the BCS era. It's not like he's recruiting for Ball State. We should have been in a better position the past 2 years with our Qb's than we were. But, again, I'm playing Cock's game. If it's fair to criticize other coaches for not recruiting better if they have mediocre QB's, it's certainly fair to criticize Miles for the same thing.
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when are you clowns going to grasp what the dismissal of RP did to the qb progression
I'm just playing Hitchcock's game. Over the years, under different screen names, Cock has criticized other coaches for not having adequate QB's by saying they should have recruited better. Same goes for Miles, using his logic.
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it's like he never existed to some of you and if you forced yourselves to look at the situation honestly you'd break out in hives.
You want honesty? Our backup plan for not having Rp on the team wasn't all that great.
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the only thing wrong with our offense the last two yrs was qb play and that is directly attributable to JJ and JL having to play before they were ready and when they should have been ready they could not execute because Crowton dropped the ball
Sounds like not-so-good recruiting and coaching decisions took place for us to be in this position. It's not like I have been that critical of Miles the past 2 years but you still miss the point on my statement you quoted.
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Crowton is gone and has been replaced with a "real" OC/QB coach with excellent credentials and a Miles-like mindset that is based in a prostyle power run game that will take full advantage of any one foolish enough to stack '8 men in the box'.
Good stuff. Can't wait to see our offense purr.
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and these so-called "big time qb" just grow on trees and all Miles has to do is pluck one....yeah right. get a clue.
Miles recruits for LSU, one of the 2 teams in the country to win 2 BCS national title games in the BCS era. It's not like he's recruiting for Ball State. We should have been in a better position the past 2 years with our Qb's than we were. But, again, I'm playing Cock's game. If it's fair to criticize other coaches for not recruiting better if they have mediocre QB's, it's certainly fair to criticize Miles for the same thing.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:47 pm to Hitchcock
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Running Back by Committee left with Fisher.
2006 was the aberration b/c alley became fat alley and hester sucked. keiland was our #1 back when he got his shot
LSU hasn't really used a RBBC anytime soon. usually a 1/2 combo, with #1 getting the vast majority of carries
2003, JV 1,000 yards
2004, JV gets hurt and alley/addai step up
2005, Alley out, Addai almost hits 1,000 yards (injuries)
2006, Alley is fat, Hester is average, KW would have had 1,000 yards had miles believed in him
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:49 pm to Hitchcock
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Exposed and "Encouraged to pursue employment elsewhere".
miles always disliked fisher b/c the boosters/admin made miles keep fisher in 2005 and 2006
then fisher jumped at a better job opportunity
miles hired crowton, and our offense has sucked since 2008
Posted on 2/4/11 at 3:50 pm to Hitchcock
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The purpose of a coordinator, is to do his job. When he fails, he is gone.
why did les keep crowton in 2010?
This post was edited on 2/4/11 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/4/11 at 4:39 pm to Hitchcock
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So...Jimbo Fisher employed by LSU, to Coordinate the 2006 LSU Offense, is not to be held accountable for the job he was hired to do?
the 2006 offense scored 438 points or 33.7/game
I'm sure it was the OC's fault that a punt was fumbled at the 50, a snap was fumbled at the 1 and a pass bounced off a WR's hands that was picked off in the EZ at Florida.
He was also the QB coach/OC for some of our most successful QB's, Davey, Mauck and Russell.
Pretty sad that you are apparently so insecure about the current HC that you have to trash the previous coaching staff so much. All are pretty good coaches.
Posted on 2/4/11 at 7:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
aint that the truth, H-Town. He sites the offensive records set in 2006 being broken in 2007, but never mind the fact that LSU ran 818 plays in '06 and a staggering 1,054 plays in '07.
LSU is my 2nd team to Tennessee, but the bottom line is since parting ways with Fisher, LSU's offense suffered greatly. How many plays did you have and what did you do with them?
06- 6.6ypp, 48% 3rd down conversion rate
07- 5.8ypp, 46% on 3rd down
08- 5.4ypp, 38% on 3rd down
09- 5.1ypp, 38% on 3rd down
10- 5.3ypp, 38% on 3rd down
you put those 06 stats into the 2010 season and LSU is almost certainly hoisting that crystal ball a month ago. Funny thing about those 06 numbers, they are almost pretty close to FSU's 2010 clip of 6.0ypp and 48% on 3rd downs and 2009's mark of 6.4ypp/46%. Even funnier, the year before Jimbo took over FSU averaged 5.4ypp and converted only 33% of third downs. Pretty damn close to LSU's 2010 numbers. Notice the trajectory of both offenses since his move?
Jimbo is the king of running the play clock all the way down. He has a bunch of reasons for his philosophy - prevent injuries, time of possession etc - but the end result is that his offenses are never going to put up the mind blowing numbers because he never runs a ton of plays. That's not to say he doesn't have great offenses, you just have to sift through the bullshite. LSU and FSU faced the hardest set of defenses in all of college ball in 2010 - they were #1 and #2. That said, FSU's offense was better than LSU's by a good bit even though FSU was only in year one of a real strength program - they just got a training table! FSU has had top 10 offenses in back to back years after Jimbo inherited a mess from Jeff Bowden.
Anyone who thinks what Jimbo has done since taking over for Bowden is anything short of remarkable really doesn't know what they're talking about. The people doubting him are going to be in for a surprise over the coming years. His play calling can be frustrating at times(whose isn't?), but make no mistake, Jimbo is the real deal and a better head coach than coordinator.
LSU is my 2nd team to Tennessee, but the bottom line is since parting ways with Fisher, LSU's offense suffered greatly. How many plays did you have and what did you do with them?
06- 6.6ypp, 48% 3rd down conversion rate
07- 5.8ypp, 46% on 3rd down
08- 5.4ypp, 38% on 3rd down
09- 5.1ypp, 38% on 3rd down
10- 5.3ypp, 38% on 3rd down
you put those 06 stats into the 2010 season and LSU is almost certainly hoisting that crystal ball a month ago. Funny thing about those 06 numbers, they are almost pretty close to FSU's 2010 clip of 6.0ypp and 48% on 3rd downs and 2009's mark of 6.4ypp/46%. Even funnier, the year before Jimbo took over FSU averaged 5.4ypp and converted only 33% of third downs. Pretty damn close to LSU's 2010 numbers. Notice the trajectory of both offenses since his move?
Jimbo is the king of running the play clock all the way down. He has a bunch of reasons for his philosophy - prevent injuries, time of possession etc - but the end result is that his offenses are never going to put up the mind blowing numbers because he never runs a ton of plays. That's not to say he doesn't have great offenses, you just have to sift through the bullshite. LSU and FSU faced the hardest set of defenses in all of college ball in 2010 - they were #1 and #2. That said, FSU's offense was better than LSU's by a good bit even though FSU was only in year one of a real strength program - they just got a training table! FSU has had top 10 offenses in back to back years after Jimbo inherited a mess from Jeff Bowden.
Anyone who thinks what Jimbo has done since taking over for Bowden is anything short of remarkable really doesn't know what they're talking about. The people doubting him are going to be in for a surprise over the coming years. His play calling can be frustrating at times(whose isn't?), but make no mistake, Jimbo is the real deal and a better head coach than coordinator.
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