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re: Houston Bates Drama
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:04 pm to TheHiddenFlask
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:04 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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I think that Cash's point was that there is asymmetrical information fed to us. He's not saying that no one is committed, but if you want proof that kids without committable offers commit to schools, go find the video about the loser who faked his commitment to Cal.
Kevin Hart. And why do I know his name? Because it was national news! And why was it news? Because it rarely happens. A kid can get away with embellishing the truth a little on his list of offers, but if he "accepts" a non-existant offer, it seems like it would immediately bite him on the arse. Just like it did Kevin Hart.
I pisses me off that people still insist that Bates was never offered by LSU. This is complete and utter bullshite, not "asymmetrical information" as you so eloquently put it.
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:13 pm to White Roach
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You're the guy busting aglandry's arse for an official LSU "link" that you know can't exist
The only reason I am asking him for the list is because he claims it exists. He said Bates was listed as a LSU commit on LSU's list along with Scout, Rivals, etc.
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So, to follow your inference, there are no actual committable offers out there.
Technically an offer is non-binding. It is only binding once a signed LOI is faxed to the school on or after NSD.
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I disagree. I think LSU makes sincere offers to recruits.
I agree. However, there are different kinds of offers.
unconditionable offers, offers as long as we have room at your position, grey shirt offers, we will try to work you in if things fill up we need you to grey shirt, etc.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:16 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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but if you want proof that kids without committable offers commit to schools, go find the video about the loser who faked his commitment to Cal.
There is also the soap opera that was Storm Johnson's commitment with or with out an offer that no one is still certain exactly what went down.
There are different kinds of offers. No one on this board knows what was said by the LSU staff to Bates before or after his commitment.
No one here knows if Bates and his family are upset or feel lied too by what transpired.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:20 pm to White Roach
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Kevin Hart. And why do I know his name? Because it was national news! And why was it news? Because it rarely happens. A kid can get away with embellishing the truth a little on his list of offers, but if he "accepts" a non-existant offer, it seems like it would immediately bite him on the arse.
Kevin Hart got bit in the arse because a reporter in Nevada called Cal and asked about him. The coach said he never heard that name before. All that a coach can say is if his school is recruiting a player or not. He can't comment about offer's, visits, phone calls, camps, etc.
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I pisses me off that people still insist that Bates was never offered by LSU.
But what was he offered? grey shirt? preferred walk on? full ride with no strings?
I have no idea.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:21 pm to aglandry
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Just because LSU doesn't comment doesn't mean they weren't offered and accepted. Anthony Johnson told NOLA that he talked with Miles and Wilson and committed to LSU. He also said he talked with Brick Haley. Therefore he is on LSU's committed list, unless he changes his mind. They are not a signee unless they sign the LOI. They can be committed without signing a LOI. LSU can't comment on commits but they can once the LOI is signed and they become a signee.
I'm not arguing with any of that.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:36 pm to White Roach
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I have a feeling that Cash is one of those brilliant intellects
Barry Valcin agrees with this thread
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:44 pm to Maximus
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Barry Valcin
Hell of a cover corner except for his 5'7" height and 4.85 speed.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:46 pm to White Roach
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Kevin Hart. And why do I know his name? Because it was national news! And why was it news? Because it rarely happens. A kid can get away with embellishing the truth a little on his list of offers, but if he "accepts" a non-existant offer, it seems like it would immediately bite him on the arse. Just like it did Kevin Hart.
You made my point in your point. It is possible that Bates misunderstood/embellished his offer a little, which is why LSU didn't just throw him out in the cold. They may have felt like they mislead him to some extent, but he may have gone to the press before confirming the commitment with Miles.
Do I know any of this? No. This is why I, unlike yourself, am not proclaiming any of this as fact. However, to deny that it's a possibility is just dense.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:08 pm to TheHiddenFlask
quote:I promise you that what he committed to was NOT a normal, full out offer. I dont know what it said exactly, perhaps one of those non-committal offers or whatever people call it. But I can tell you that a member of the St P coaching staff told me personally that it was a wacky offer from the start. He told me right when it happened, right when Bates committed.
but if he "accepts" a non-existant offer, it seems like it would immediately bite him on the arse.
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:51 pm to Big Fat
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But I can tell you that a member of the St P coaching staff told me personally that it was a wacky offer from the start. He told me right when it happened, right when Bates committed.
Who? Which coach? I believe you when you say someone told you this, because you've repeatedly stated this over the last 9 or 10 months. But if it is true, why won't you name the coach?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:55 pm to White Roach
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Who? Which coach? I believe you when you say someone told you this, because you've repeatedly stated this over the last 9 or 10 months. But if it is true, why won't you name the coach?
Where there is smoke there is fire, and there has been smoke since day 1 of Bates' commitment. It's not as simple as on NSD Ego commited and Bates got screwed.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:09 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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You made my point in your point.
I haven't made your point, but possibly, you've missed mine. A kid can BS about having an offer, but he can't "accept" the imaginary offer without it flying back in his face.
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It is possible that Bates misunderstood/embellished his offer a little, which is why LSU didn't just throw him out in the cold.
In such a cut throat business as college recruiting, I didn't think there was any room for philanthropy.
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They may have felt like they mislead him to some extent, but he may have gone to the press before confirming the commitment with Miles
As I recall, he called Joe Robinson to accept. He then spoke w/ Miles. He spoke with Sonny Shipp AFTER speaking to Robinson and Miles. This information came from Houston's mother. I'm positive she wasn't making it up.
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Do I know any of this? No. This is why I, unlike yourself, am not proclaiming any of this as fact. However, to deny that it's a possibility is just dense.
Almost anything is possible. But on this particular subject, I'm trying to counter speculation with substance.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:15 pm to White Roach
quote:because I dont want to post his name on a message board. Whats your email, Im happy to send you the name if you agree not to post it.
Who? Which coach? I believe you when you say someone told you this, because you've repeatedly stated this over the last 9 or 10 months. But if it is true, why won't you name the coach?
What difference does it make which coach?
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:16 pm to Cash
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It's not as simple as on NSD Ego commited and Bates got screwed.
No kidding. Ego (or anybody else) signing on NSD has nothing to do with the unsubstantiated rumor that Bates wasn't offered a full scholarship. And for the record, I've never said that I thought Bates got screwed by LSU.
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Where there is smoke there is fire, and there has been smoke since day 1 of Bates' commitment.
There was smoke on day 1 because Big Fat said he spoke to a mystery coach at SPS. The volume of smoke increased as others repeated Big Fat's claims.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:17 pm to White Roach
quote:I am sure Im not the only that was told this info or had knowledge of the situation.
There was smoke on day 1 because Big Fat said he spoke to a mystery coach at SPS. The volume of smoke increased as others repeated Big Fat's claims.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:18 pm to Big Fat
I agree not to post it. TJHeaton@aol.com
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:19 pm to White Roach
quote:I believe I said that I spoke to his "position coach". No mystery at all.
There was smoke on day 1 because Big Fat said he spoke to a mystery coach at SPS.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:21 pm to White Roach
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:23 pm to Big Fat
Thx for the email
Posted on 3/17/10 at 4:53 pm to White Roach
Quick someone email white roach some gay porn. Hot Carl should have some.
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