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re: Gavin Cecchini to Ole Miss
Posted on 4/12/11 at 9:06 pm to TigerAlum93
Posted on 4/12/11 at 9:06 pm to TigerAlum93
All 3 have former McNeese Head Coaches who know of the fallout w/ Glenn and PM.
PM is screwing up w/ the freshmen royally here.
Les is/has made in-roads w/ a few of them, from the same school.
Freshmen parents aren't fools, understand the business of college athletics. Won't be blinded by state school. PM will seal his fate, which has already started.
PM is screwing up w/ the freshmen royally here.
Les is/has made in-roads w/ a few of them, from the same school.
Freshmen parents aren't fools, understand the business of college athletics. Won't be blinded by state school. PM will seal his fate, which has already started.
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Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:03 pm to wahoocs
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I don't fault Mainieri for doing his part to eliminate being used in the process.
there is no way to eliminate being used.
Von Rosenburg and Colvin used LSU as much as Cecchinni did.
The wrong teams just happened to pick them. PM should be bitching about the pirates and Sox giving 6th round picks the money 1st round picks command. Not about getting deceived by a kid who he knew had little shot to play at LSU.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:16 pm to Lester Earl
You obviously didn't read the rest of my post.
I included Von Rosenburg and Colvin.
These, too, are examples. I have no idea what numbers were discussed, but the conversation has to take place, and both sides are going to need to have a certain level of trust.
It's the only way you're going to have any consistency when dealing with the situation. The mere fact that a perennial national contender is offering you one of few scholarships available immediately raises your stock in the draft.
Sure you're not going to eliminate it, but you better be as analytical about their particular situation as you can, and accept when it's the right move for the kid versus pissing in the wind with a family that could care less about your best interests.
LSU has no doubt raised the stock of many a player throughout the years. Some have played for LSU, and some have not. Mainieri has been vocal about his displeasure with the current system, it's not best for college baseball, or for MLB. It's a players' union issue.
I would rather see college baseball more resemble football, than basketball. The three year commitment is a great idea. I'll invest in supporting a program with players invested in the program. I see these negotiating tactics akin to the one and done basketball scenarios.
I'm not sure if I would defend Mainieri in each case of his dealings with these recruits. He may have mishandled some. But, for those that decided to take the money to say that things may have been different if they had been treated better by the staff is chicken shite excuses. Nothing but a deflection for not following through with their stated convictions.
I included Von Rosenburg and Colvin.
These, too, are examples. I have no idea what numbers were discussed, but the conversation has to take place, and both sides are going to need to have a certain level of trust.
It's the only way you're going to have any consistency when dealing with the situation. The mere fact that a perennial national contender is offering you one of few scholarships available immediately raises your stock in the draft.
Sure you're not going to eliminate it, but you better be as analytical about their particular situation as you can, and accept when it's the right move for the kid versus pissing in the wind with a family that could care less about your best interests.
LSU has no doubt raised the stock of many a player throughout the years. Some have played for LSU, and some have not. Mainieri has been vocal about his displeasure with the current system, it's not best for college baseball, or for MLB. It's a players' union issue.
I would rather see college baseball more resemble football, than basketball. The three year commitment is a great idea. I'll invest in supporting a program with players invested in the program. I see these negotiating tactics akin to the one and done basketball scenarios.
I'm not sure if I would defend Mainieri in each case of his dealings with these recruits. He may have mishandled some. But, for those that decided to take the money to say that things may have been different if they had been treated better by the staff is chicken shite excuses. Nothing but a deflection for not following through with their stated convictions.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:57 pm to wahoocs
I agree with most of that
i personally think making the kids give a "price to leave" is only asking for trouble.
you have to treat each one of these kids and their situations the same when it comes to the borderline guys(anyone drafted in the top 10-12 rounds is a threat). You have to pretty much expect them to go. Either cut ties with them early, or have a secondary back up plan should they bolt.
anything can change, especially when talking about a 17 or 18 year old kid and their future. You can't force them to do anything. You either accept their situation and want them to be a part of LSU baseball, or you simply move on to the next one. But at least do it with class and integrity. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
i personally think making the kids give a "price to leave" is only asking for trouble.
you have to treat each one of these kids and their situations the same when it comes to the borderline guys(anyone drafted in the top 10-12 rounds is a threat). You have to pretty much expect them to go. Either cut ties with them early, or have a secondary back up plan should they bolt.
anything can change, especially when talking about a 17 or 18 year old kid and their future. You can't force them to do anything. You either accept their situation and want them to be a part of LSU baseball, or you simply move on to the next one. But at least do it with class and integrity. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:23 am to Lester Earl
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This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:22 am to Lester Earl
I think the fact that we can agree, yet disagree, gives you an idea of what the dilemma is all about.
Having a back up plan sounds good, but doesn't translate to success at the level this program desires to maintain.
It's hit and miss with the best of the best, less than that is a shot in the dark. People didn't play Bertman. I think a large part of that was his ability to sell his Olympic pitching coach vs. minor league bus spiel. Good JUCO hitters followed the great pitching.
I have no doubt Mainieri is trying to set precedence in his own way. It started 3 years ago with the purging of the program, which included some great talent that lacked a certain level of commitment. And most of those kids never attained any level of success.
The man has earned the benefit of the doubt from me. I'm fairly pessimistic by nature, and was certain Miles would not survive last year. I'm actually relieved now. Maybe that plays into my thinking here. And I don't think PM is above consulting Skip in some these recruiting matters.
Having a back up plan sounds good, but doesn't translate to success at the level this program desires to maintain.
It's hit and miss with the best of the best, less than that is a shot in the dark. People didn't play Bertman. I think a large part of that was his ability to sell his Olympic pitching coach vs. minor league bus spiel. Good JUCO hitters followed the great pitching.
I have no doubt Mainieri is trying to set precedence in his own way. It started 3 years ago with the purging of the program, which included some great talent that lacked a certain level of commitment. And most of those kids never attained any level of success.
The man has earned the benefit of the doubt from me. I'm fairly pessimistic by nature, and was certain Miles would not survive last year. I'm actually relieved now. Maybe that plays into my thinking here. And I don't think PM is above consulting Skip in some these recruiting matters.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:35 am to wahoocs
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Having a back up plan sounds good, but doesn't translate to success at the level this program desires to maintain.
it doesn't, but in the end, a borderline guy is either a)going to frick you over or B)end up at school
whether he lies about the money he will take or not. It doesn't change the fact that there is a good chance he wont end up at school.
That is what people don't seem to understand.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:59 am to Lester Earl
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whether he lies about the money he will take or not. It doesn't change the fact that there is a good chance he wont end up at school.
That is what people don't seem to understand.
if you don't have this type of athlete on your team, you can't win at the level lsu wants to win at.
you have to take the chance that the kid is straight with you. you need borderline pro's to win in or get to omaha.
i think there in lies the problem. i think p.m. knows he has to recruit this type of player. he tries to find out, are you leaning pro or college? what is it going to take to go pro? you tell him, he makes the decision to continue to recruit you or recruit another player. when that player changes his mind or go's back on what he says, it leaves p.m. with a lot less talented player as the back up plan when he could have recruited another talented player.
when the kid is straight. it works. when he isn't, it doesn't.
he has examples both ways. d.j., clark, anthony r., gibbs, mahtook, jones, gausman, ross. it worked with.
z.v.r., colvin, cecchini, and others it hasn't.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 12:03 pm to dos crystal
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he has examples both ways. d.j., clark, anthony r., gibbs, mahtook, jones, gausman, ross. it worked with.
all these kids were kids except Gausman that told MLB they strongly wanted to play at LSU
the ones that didnt, are the ones you end up sweating over. ANd usually the ones that we end up losing.
It's not really setting it straight. PM knows going in who he thinks he might lose and who he can trust to be on campus
Posted on 4/13/11 at 12:29 pm to Lester Earl
what no one is seeing here is that the kids have a choice too i mean hell when i was playing high school baseball i sent letters out to schools i was interested in and thought i could play at. what does the coach have to do with getting the player attention.
now a days its just as much up to the kid to go to showcases and talk and email college coaches as it is for the high school coach to talk em up. if my high school coach had a problem with a team i didnt give a frick because im going to play where i want to play.
and if i would have had a shot to get drafted high which i didnt (but i played with two kids that did)and they offered me a couple hundred thousand less than what i was looking for then i would seriously look at it. Any intelligent coach will tell you that the decision to go pro is just as much about if your mature enough and comfortable enough with the idea of going to live on your own as a 17-18-19 year old kid, including doing things like laundry and chores and being away from mommy, as it is about if the moneys right
now a days its just as much up to the kid to go to showcases and talk and email college coaches as it is for the high school coach to talk em up. if my high school coach had a problem with a team i didnt give a frick because im going to play where i want to play.
and if i would have had a shot to get drafted high which i didnt (but i played with two kids that did)and they offered me a couple hundred thousand less than what i was looking for then i would seriously look at it. Any intelligent coach will tell you that the decision to go pro is just as much about if your mature enough and comfortable enough with the idea of going to live on your own as a 17-18-19 year old kid, including doing things like laundry and chores and being away from mommy, as it is about if the moneys right
Posted on 4/13/11 at 1:47 pm to Lester Earl
The question is the quality of the backup plan player.
An LSU level player might take the bird in the hand at another quality SEC program over the chance that a top 10 round pick can squeeze the money out of MLB.
I agree with you that most of these borderline kids are leaning to begin with, and can be accounted for most classes.
I think the most recent examples were cases that Mainieri misread, or was mislead. Kind of a perfect storm, if you will. Couldn't have helped that Mainieri had some added leverage with a family member being also committed. That's not a win-win situation if the older sibling ends up not signing.
An LSU level player might take the bird in the hand at another quality SEC program over the chance that a top 10 round pick can squeeze the money out of MLB.
I agree with you that most of these borderline kids are leaning to begin with, and can be accounted for most classes.
I think the most recent examples were cases that Mainieri misread, or was mislead. Kind of a perfect storm, if you will. Couldn't have helped that Mainieri had some added leverage with a family member being also committed. That's not a win-win situation if the older sibling ends up not signing.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 1:16 pm to wahoocs
Glenn Cecchini is going to stop sending Barbe players to LSU. What will we ever do without Chad Cooley and... um, Chad Cooley... um, Chad... nevermind, I guess Barbe has always sent its players away from LSU.
Quick, name all LSU starters in the last 15 years from Barbe not named Chad Cooley.
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