re: Current depth is playing a roll, especially OOS...

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We were plenty talented at QB in 2006, who did that work out in 2008

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you mean after the national championship? We were stranded at the position in '08 bc a certain QB decided to frick up... Multiple times. And had we not have gotten him, we would have had another BCSNCG QB. thats just how things work out sometimes. If we got McCoy and ryan, how much talent would have set behind them?

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We need a QB in this class and really a QB every year

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Top talent typically doesn't want to wait 2+ years to play. And they certainly don't wan to have to work up from 4th-5th string...

You mean like Mett, who rode the pine while we got JJ more playing time when we were in the middle of blow outs all year long?

Early Playing time helps but winning, getting a good education and developing to the NFL are also considerations.

Otherwise, we should have signed the best QB in the country the last 4 years. Any kid that could not see we needed a QB since the 2007 BCSNC win is blind. We have ONE very highly rated QB in Mett, a development project in Rivers and maybe a wildcat QB in Randall.

Pretty surprising considering we had a loaded team with a glaring hole at QB for years. Where is this year's recruiting QB stud too??

Sure we pull a good QB into the class. Not like we have 5 star future NFL QBs all throughout our roster.

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We were stranded at the position in '08 bc a certain QB decided to frick up... Multiple times

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EXACTLY, that's why you recruit multiple guys so if 1 guy gets hurt, fricks up and gets kicked off the team or just doesn't pan out, he are not fricked for the next 4 years.

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Top talent typically doesn't want to wait 2+ years to play. And they certainly don't wan to have to work up from 4th-5th string...

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You are deluding yourself to rationalize by making stuff, sounds like some kind of denial. 4 and 5 star guys sign with deep loaded teams all the time, rare does elite talent wait more than 2 years to play, that's just false. LSU has signed all kinds of guys at positions we were loaded at (RB, DL, WR).

As just 1 example at LSU, we had Ware, Ford, Gore, Blue at RB all FRESHMAN or Redshirts in 2010 and in 2011 we signed Hilliard and McGee in 2011, with Hill committed, but signing then obviously and despite that Hill signed anyway this year. Texas singed Malcolm Brown last year and got the #1 RB this year.

This is not a good class, face it. Its not bade, it doesn't mean the program is finished, but rationalizing won't change facts.

This thread is laughably bad and your logic is flawed.

If Bama is lying to these kids to get them there and LSU isn't, then we have a problem with our recruiters.

But the real point is LSU just isn't up to par with recruiting with Bama right now. Miles is a good recruiter but Saban is the best in the business. We need another elite recruiter on our staff and we wouldn't be seeing threads like this.

And I don't want to hear the bullshite we were just in a NC game. Recruiting classes usually take a few years to show. If you have a bust class, it severely hurts the program, no matter how much depth you have. See our QB problem and OL. We need to upgrade our staff so we can stay elite in recruiting and actually land some OOS blue chip prospects. If LSU isn't top 3 in recruiting next year, then this staff has a problem. You see the biggest gain in recruiting the year after you go to a NC(usually).

I think the loss of Gonzales to Illinois has hurt us with a couple recruits and it ultimately has led to the class ranking fall a little. The other thing people need to realize is that you recruit these guys before their senior year. If Johnson doesn't get hurt and drop out of the ranked recruits and some of our 4 stars don't drop to 3 stars, we are sitting around #5-#7 in recruiting this year. I think we are focusing too much on rankings of players and class rather than looking to see that we are filling in areas where we have a need. Lastly, let the recruiting process finish before we say the class is bad, or we aren't on par with other programs, etc. Still 10 days or so left to recruit. Complain or criticize after NSD.

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This thread is laughably bad and your logic is flawed.

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Then you don't understand recruiting.

The whole point of this thread is that recruiting is cyclical, with the exception of Bama riding a serious wave of success.

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But the real point is LSU just isn't up to par with recruiting with Bama right now. Miles is a good recruiter but Saban is the best in the business. We need another elite recruiter on our staff and we wouldn't be seeing threads like this.

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Yes, Saban is the best in the business, but he got that way by being as deceptive as they come. There's no other way to explain him signing almost 30 kids a year, and then cutting the ones who don't work out.

Yes, the Miller situation means Miles isn't immune to criticism, but by all accounts Les plays the family man card, and it gets us some recruits we would have missed otherwise.

Yes, we're going to clean house next year, and guess why? Because half the damn team will probably declare for the draft, leaving starting roles up for grabs.

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As just 1 example at LSU, we had Ware, Ford, Gore, Blue at RB all FRESHMAN or Redshirts in 2010 and in 2011 we signed Hilliard and McGee in 2011, with Hill committed, but signing then obviously and despite that Hill signed anyway this year. Texas singed Malcolm Brown last year and got the #1 RB this year.

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RB is a position were a lot of guys get looks, but thanks for proving my point. Ridley leaving meant that Hilliard was going to get consideration. Ware was the closest thing to proven we had, and he was just the #1.

I'm not saying this class couldn't have been better, I'm just saying why we aren't getting more serious looks from major OOS prospects, and it's because we have stars in their spots already.

Yup, 2 NCs in 3 years...

You realize when Saban got there the program was in shambles? It takes more than a few years to get the guys you want in the program. Now that they settled down, they're nearly approaching a modern CFB dynasty.

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Yup, 2 NCs in 3 years...

You realize when Saban got there the program was in shambles? It takes more than a few years to get the guys you want in the program. Now that they settled down, they're nearly approaching a modern CFB dynasty.

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What is Saban's record in head to head matches with Miles?Based on recruiting ranking,Miles shouldn't be able to defeat a Saban coached team because of Alabama's superior talent.