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re: Coach O is about to take LSU recruiting to next level
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:06 pm to JesuitBlueJay
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:06 pm to JesuitBlueJay
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Les Miles was an elite recruiter
And it continues...
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:37 pm to LSU316
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So Ensminger > Kiffin fricking .... This place kills me.
He pretty clearly meant for Ensminger to be kept around, as in back in his old role as TE coach, not as OC. Calm down.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:49 pm to airfernando
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No he didn't. You don't understand the big picture of recruiting. He pulled some big names; that's it. Recruiting well is far more than a few headliners.
Actually, he did. They had absolutely NO recruiting presence throughout the Southeast, much less nationally. Cuttcliffe was a "coach 'em up" guy and didn't give a shite about recruiting. That worked for him for a while because he is a really good coach, but when guys like Saban and Richt showed up and joined Fullmer in emphasizing big-time recruiting, he faded fast. He left that cupboard completely bare by the time he left. Think LSU 1999, but worse.
He just had top 15 to 20 classes, but again, this was vastly better than where they had been recruiting. And it wasn't just names. He got guys like Boulden out of LA who LSU either ignored or didn't make a priority and built up some depth with them.
There is no doubt that he ran an insane asylum over there and didn't get to reap the rewards of his recruiting because of it, but Houston Nutt sure did. In just 2 years, O was able to build a competitive base of talent that Nutt used to win.
He may not have set the world on fire at OM and most of us many not have wanted him to be hired as HC, but damn people. Facts are still facts. Some of you can't see past your own noses.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:54 pm to SabiDojo
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quote:He recruited pretty good at Ole Miss. how did that work out for him? He probably micromanaged which is a bad way to manage almost all the time. Great coaches surround themselves with great minds and know if things are working or not. That's something Miles couldn't do because he was never honest with himself. It seems O has learned that and it can take him to success.
You do realize there is nothing you can say that will enlighten any of these tittie babies to coach O. They are truly like Clinton supporters who can't accept Trump won. All we can do is hope Coach proves them wrong and ignore them until next year.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:04 pm to misey94
Freeze was one of the guys on O's staff at Ole Miss. Freeze is now in charge and Ole Miss has the NCAA breathing down its neck. O has long been singled out for his recruiting prowess. Hopefully, it's a magnetic personality thing, but just in case, Alleva should probably up the budget for compliance to be proactive.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:12 pm to GaytorHater703
So now Miles wasn't a great recruiter and LSU recruited itself...
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:12 pm to GaytorHater703
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LSU has always recruited itself...Miles just used that as camouflage
Thanks. I now know that I can ignore any of your future opinions on recruiting.
Before Miles was HC at Oklahoma state they were getting classes in 80's and 90's. Miles had them getting multiple top 25 classes. If you think programs recruit themselves then you have no clue how recruiting works.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:13 pm to tduecen
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So now Miles wasn't a great recruiter and LSU recruited itself...
People that think programs recruit themselves are fricking stupid.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:16 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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All we can do is hope Coach proves them wrong and ignore them until next year.
Its sad when your new coach's best attribute is that he can get the frick out of the way. Do you think Meyer gets out of the way? Saban? Harbaugh? Did chip kelly just get out of the way? The most successful head coaches in cfb are hands on. The fact that you dont know this is telling. But hey youre happy lsu hired a career dline coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense or program.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:21 pm to GaytorHater703
To be fair, mainly to Miles, that's very hard to do. Miles' last 5 or 6 years (with the exception of 2012) were high-level.
For us to do what Bama does for multiple years I fear we'd end up with a sword hanging over us like Ole Miss. Now that sword for them may swing, but the blade will dulled. For us, it might swing and be honed to a razor edge.
I know Miles didn't do that all by his lonesome (neither does Saban, see the recent Burton Burns threads) but Miles was for damn sure a factor. And I wanted Miles gone since 2013 with zero room for doubt, but he deserves a lot of credit here.
Now if CEO, and more importantly this staff around him, can step it up a little- freaking great. One area for improvement is the OL, OTs and overall depth for starters.
But don't expect huge jumps in rankings. But rankings don't tell the whole story. It's about filling needs with those needs determined by your competition.
For us to do what Bama does for multiple years I fear we'd end up with a sword hanging over us like Ole Miss. Now that sword for them may swing, but the blade will dulled. For us, it might swing and be honed to a razor edge.
I know Miles didn't do that all by his lonesome (neither does Saban, see the recent Burton Burns threads) but Miles was for damn sure a factor. And I wanted Miles gone since 2013 with zero room for doubt, but he deserves a lot of credit here.
Now if CEO, and more importantly this staff around him, can step it up a little- freaking great. One area for improvement is the OL, OTs and overall depth for starters.
But don't expect huge jumps in rankings. But rankings don't tell the whole story. It's about filling needs with those needs determined by your competition.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Saban coaches his coaches. He sees that as a primary role. If he coaches the coaches up, then in his mind he himself is covering more ground and having more impact on the team as a whole. He's not the only one, he's not the first either. One of his mentors, Chuck Noll, was known for that. That's why a coaching tree exists for them. So in one sense he is anything but 'hands off'. But he isn't in their way. He teaches them how to do their job, his way. He doesn't do their job for them. He's a leader first and a coach second.
Rickdaddy4188
'hands off' and 'in the way' are two different things.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:05 pm to guttata
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He recruited pretty good at Ole Miss. how did that work out for him?
Gutata = dick
If you paid any attention, when he got to OM they were getting killed every week. By the time he left he was in every game. Houston Nuttsack won for a few years with his players...
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:06 pm to JesuitBlueJay
JesuitBlueJay = another dick
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:09 pm to tduecen
CEO has bumped up recruiting since he arrived. If anyone is paying attention, Bama outdoes us in the trenches. That's beginning to change, and that's the only real difference in the two programs...
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:12 pm to I20goon
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But don't expect huge jumps in rankings. But rankings don't tell the whole story. It's about filling needs with those needs determined by your competition.
The rankings of our classes isn't the problem. It's the balance of them, which I am hoping will improve now. How many LBs did we take from 2012-2014? We didn't get any DTs 2 years ago, even though we had a huge need. We don't have enough natural OTs. Plenty of RBs, WRs, FBs, and secondary guys, though.
Shifting the priorities around to focus on more balance in each class will make a all the difference and keep us from always having some spot on the team that is young and/or thin.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:31 pm to mpwilging
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If you paid any attention, when he got to OM they were getting killed every week. By the time he left he was in every game. Houston Nuttsack won for a few years with his players...
THIS....All of this!!!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:54 pm to GaytorHater703
LSU has not sways just recruited itself. A lot of talent used to lead te state before Dinardo. The 90s team were very not very talented and had very few big time recruits
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:56 pm to mpwilging
Miles has always recruited well, he did not just start recruiting because he fired O last year.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:15 pm to GaytorHater703
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LSU has always recruited itself
No it hasn't.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:49 pm to GaytorHater703
quote:Yeah, no.
LSU has always recruited itself..
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