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Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:24 am to
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:24 am to
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And about those rules... I just gave you the rules, and you flat out ignored it, and pretended instead that I don't understand your "high profile" comment, which has nothing to do with the point, just to deflect from your ignorance on the subject.


I didn't pretend. And you didn't give me the rules.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:27 am to
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The rules haven't changed to allow winter break transfers to be eligible at the new institution. Regardless of what the chatGPT summary in this thread says.


Winter break? chatGPT? These are rules specific to coaches leaving, and yes, every single thing I have searched to confirm this rule change says "eligible immediately" so long as they follow the rules. Nothing refutes it.
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:30 am to
quote:

I didn't pretend. And you didn't give me the rules.


Yes you did. Because you knew exactly what you were doing and why. You're being intentionally obtuse to avoid addressing your ignorance. And I gave you the rules.

You doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on saying that the rules haven't changed is not evidence.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:32 am to
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14.5.5.4 Baseball, Basketball and Softball -- Midyear Enrollee. In baseball, basketball and softball, a studentathlete
who initially enrolls at the certifying institution as a full-time student after the conclusion of the first term of the
academic year and satisfies the applicable four-year college transfer requirements (see Bylaw 14.5.5) shall not be eligible for
competition until the ensuing academic year. (See Bylaw 14.6.1.1 for the application to graduate transfer student-athletes.)
(Adopted: 6/24/09, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17, 1/12/23 effective 8/1/23, 4/18/24)


From the 2025-2026 NCAA Manual.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:34 am to
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Winter break? chatGPT? These are rules specific to coaches leaving, and yes, every single thing I have searched to confirm this rule change says "eligible immediately" so long as they follow the rules. Nothing refutes it.


The coach leaving just opens the window.

It has nothing to do with eligibility.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6705 posts
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:52 am to
quote:

14.5.5.4 Baseball, Basketball and Softball -- Midyear Enrollee. In baseball, basketball and softball, a studentathlete
who initially enrolls at the certifying institution as a full-time student after the conclusion of the first term of the
academic year and satisfies the applicable four-year college transfer requirements (see Bylaw 14.5.5) shall not be eligible for
competition until the ensuing academic year. (See Bylaw 14.6.1.1 for the application to graduate transfer student-athletes.)
(Adopted: 6/24/09, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17, 1/12/23 effective 8/1/23, 4/18/24)


This does not mention anything whatsoever about a coaching change, and if there is an exception made. But if I accept that this rule makes players in these sports unable to play until the following year, then the question goes back to this: Why couldn't you just answer the question, in the first place?

Well, we all know why. Because you enjoy looking down on people who don't spend all their time looking at what's going on in college baseball. I know the game of baseball very well, but I sure as heck don't waste my time following every headline. When someone asks a question, if I know the answer, I'll give it. But you? You berate them, nearly every time, if not every single time.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6705 posts
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:55 am to
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The coach leaving just opens the window.

It has nothing to do with eligibility.


It does in every other sport. Because there are the normal windows, and then there is the coaching change window. It opens the portal, and portal is what makes you eligible immediately, along with academic requirements.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75858 posts
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:57 am to
quote:

It opens the portal, and portal is what makes you eligible immediately


The portal is not what makes you eligible immediately. It just opens up the freedom of contact and freedom of movement. There are still eligibility restrictions. Including those imposed by conferences.

It's why football players in the second portal window couldn't go SEC-to-SEC without sitting a year.
Posted by TigahFan85
Member since Feb 2024
485 posts
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:53 pm to
If Tony Vitello leaves in October 2025

That’s mid-fall semester, before the spring 2026 baseball season begins.

Players can enter the transfer portal immediately

Because of the “coaching change exception,” players can enter the portal right away, even though it’s not a normal transfer window.

Baseball’s normal window is 45 days after the championship selections (June–July) and again for 14 days in December — but a head coach leaving opens a special window.

Eligibility for the 2026 season

If a player transfers in October, November, or December 2025, they can enroll at a new school by the spring semester (January 2026).

As long as:

It’s their first transfer, and

They meet academic progress requirements,

they’ll be immediately eligible to play in the 2026 baseball season.

If it’s their second transfer:

They’ll need to request a waiver for immediate eligibility (though the coaching change could strengthen their case).

Bottom line:
If Tony Vitello leaves in October 2025, Tennessee baseball players who transfer right after that will almost certainly be eligible to play for their new teams in the 2026 season — unless they’ve already transferred once before.



This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 3:58 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:57 pm to
All of the bolding makes it more official than the NCAA Rulebook I guess.

Did you thank ChatGPT for putting that together for you?

ETA: I guess you took out the espn link when you realized it didn't support your claim at all.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 3:59 pm
Posted by TigahFan85
Member since Feb 2024
485 posts
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:01 pm to
actually was on older link and had been updated since.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
75858 posts
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

actually was on older link and had been updated since.


And it was football centric without touching on other sports that have their own carve out in the NCAA rulebook.
Posted by TigahFan85
Member since Feb 2024
485 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:54 am to
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ProjectP2294


I did find information that does say as long as the Student Athlete is in good academic standing, in the Fall semester and transfers due to coaching change that happens in the Fall semester they would be eligible to "play immediately in the Spring Semester.

If they are just transferring because they aren't playing or are not going to play then they do have to sit out a season. But there could still be alot of confusion. In the link you can go though other requirements as well. It does say that if you transfer in the same semester (after spring semester starts) you will not be eligible.



Its a lot of reading
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:20 am to
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ProjectP2294



I can't imagine anybody actually liking you irl.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75858 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 9:56 am to
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I can't imagine anybody actually liking you irl.


Imagination requires brain activity, so that makes sense.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
75858 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:32 am to
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I did find information that does say as long as the Student Athlete is in good academic standing, in the Fall semester and transfers due to coaching change that happens in the Fall semester they would be eligible to "play immediately in the Spring Semester.

If they are just transferring because they aren't playing or are not going to play then they do have to sit out a season. But there could still be alot of confusion. In the link you can go though other requirements as well. It does say that if you transfer in the same semester (after spring semester starts) you will not be eligible.


I looked through the link, and also through the pdf I have of the 2025/26 manual.

I didn't find anything in the transfer section (14) about head coach departure. Only in the recruiting section (13). The recruiting section just speaks to the transfer window opening but doesn't really touch on eligibility.

Which code section did you see the stuff you're referencing? It's a genuine question, not a gotcha. I didn't read it all the way through. I did key word searches.

I referenced 14.5.5.4, but that's a general rule. You'd be referencing exceptions listed somewhere else. Neither the link, nor the pdf point to where exceptions are within the document, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.
Posted by TigahFan85
Member since Feb 2024
485 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 11:30 am to
14.5.5 Four-Year College Transfers. An undergraduate transfer student from a four-year institution is eligible for competition if at the time of transfer to the certifying institution (see Bylaw 14.5.2), the student would have been academically eligible to compete had the student remained at the institution where the student most recently attended class during a regular term as a full-time student, except that the student is not required to have fulfilled percentage-of-degree requirements at the previous institution. (Revised: 4/18/24)

14.5.5.1.1 Exception -- Baseball. In baseball, a transfer student-athlete who fails to meet the applicable requirements of Bylaw 14.4.3 to be eligible for an institution's fall term shall not be eligible until the following academic year. (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/07, 4/18/24) - If does not meet the academic requirements

14.5.5.4 Baseball, Basketball and Softball -- Midyear Enrollee. In baseball, basketball and softball, a student-athlete who initially enrolls at the certifying institution as a full-time student after the conclusion of the first term of the academic year and satisfies the applicable four-year college transfer requirements (see Bylaw 14.5.5) shall not be eligible for competition until the ensuing academic year. (See Bylaw 14.6.1.1 for the application to graduate transfer student-athletes.) (Adopted: 6/24/09, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17, 1/12/23 effective 8/1/23, 4/18/24) If transfers after the 1st term is not eligible

14.4.3.1.2 Transfer. To be eligible for competition, a transfer student-athlete must meet the following credit-hour requirements based on attendance at the previous institution or institutions for the specified time and may use any hours of academic credit earned at any collegiate institution: (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03, Revised: 5/12/05)

(a) Equivalent of one semester/one quarter: six semester or six quarter hours of academic credit;

(b) Equivalent of one academic year (e.g., two semesters/three quarters): 24 semester or 36 quarter hours of academic credit;

(c) Equivalent of three semesters/four quarters: 30 semester or 42 quarter hours of academic credit; or

(d) Equivalent of four semesters/six quarters and thereafter: six semester or six quarter hours of academic credit during the previous term of full-time enrollment, if applicable (see Bylaw 14.4.3.1.2.1).

So my interpretation is if they are in good academic standing in the first term and transfer to another college before the start of the second term (spring) they will be eligible. Along with the coach leaving provisions
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75858 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 11:36 am to
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If transfers after the 1st term is not eligible


This isn't in either the link you provided or the rulebook pdf. Is this your interpretation?

quote:

So my interpretation is if they are in good academic standing in the first term and transfer to another college before the start of the second term (spring) they will be eligible.


This is in direct conflict with the text of 14.5.5.4:

quote:

In baseball, basketball and softball, a student-athlete who initially enrolls at the certifying institution as a full-time student after the conclusion of the first term of the academic year and satisfies the applicable four-year college transfer requirements (see Bylaw 14.5.5) shall not be eligible for competition until the ensuing academic year.


Where are the coach departure provisions related to eligibility?
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 11:37 am
Posted by TigahFan85
Member since Feb 2024
485 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 11:48 am to
14.5.5 Four-Year College Transfers. An undergraduate transfer student from a four-year institution is eligible for competition if at the time of transfer to the certifying institution (see Bylaw 14.5.2), the student would have been academically eligible to compete had the student remained at the institution where the student most recently attended class during a regular term as a full-time student, except that the student is not required to have fulfilled percentage-of-degree requirements at the previous institution. (Revised: 4/18/24)



14.5.5.4 Baseball, Basketball and Softball -- Midyear Enrollee. In baseball, basketball and softball, a student-athlete who initially enrolls at the certifying institution as a full-time student after the conclusion of the first term of the academic year and satisfies the applicable four-year college transfer requirements (see Bylaw 14.5.5) shall not be eligible for competition until the ensuing academic year. (See Bylaw 14.6.1.1 for the application to graduate transfer student-athletes.) (Adopted: 6/24/09, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17, 1/12/23 effective 8/1/23, 4/18/24) If transfers after the 1st term is not eligible

14.4.3.1.2 Transfer. To be eligible for competition, a transfer student-athlete must meet the following credit-hour requirements based on attendance at the previous institution or institutions for the specified time and may use any hours of academic credit earned at any collegiate institution: (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03, Revised: 5/12/05)

(a) Equivalent of one semester/one quarter: six semester or six quarter hours of academic credit;

(b) Equivalent of one academic year (e.g., two semesters/three quarters): 24 semester or 36 quarter hours of academic credit;

(c) Equivalent of three semesters/four quarters: 30 semester or 42 quarter hours of academic credit; or

(d) Equivalent of four semesters/six quarters and thereafter: six semester or six quarter hours of academic credit during the previous term of full-time enrollment, if applicable (see Bylaw 14.4.3.1.2.1).

13.1.1.4.1.1.1 Head Coach Departure or Athletics Aid Reduction, Cancellation or Nonrenewal. A student-athlete may initiate notification of transfer during a 30 consecutive-day period beginning the day after any of the following occurs: (Adopted: 8/31/22 applicable to transfer student-athletes seeking eligibility during the 2023-24 academic year and thereafter, Revised: 8/1/24)

(a) The head coach of the student-athlete's team departs or announces departure from the institution; or

(b) The student-athlete received or was issued athletically related financial aid after the academic year of initial, full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and such aid is reduced, canceled or not renewed after the period of award, unless the recipient:

(1) Is rendered ineligible for intercollegiate competition based on the recipient's action or inaction;

(2) Fraudulently misrepresents any information on an application, letter of intent or financial aid agreement (see Bylaw 15.3.4.2.4);

(3) Engages in serious misconduct warranting substantial disciplinary penalty (see Bylaw 15.3.4.2.5);

(4) Voluntarily (on the recipient's own initiative) withdraws from a sport at any time for personal reasons;

(5) Violates a nonathletically related condition outlined in the financial aid agreement or violates a documented institutional rule or policy (e.g., academics policies or standards, athletics department or team rules or policies); or

(6) Provides written notification of transfer to the institution.

So my interpretation is if they are in good academic standing in the first term and transfer to another college before the start of the second term (spring) they will be eligible. Along with the coach leaving provisions

I found this NCAA Legislative Services Database
Posted by TigahFan85
Member since Feb 2024
485 posts
Posted on 10/22/25 at 12:02 pm to
We will find out what the actual process is soon probably. Tony V is signing with the Giants. See if anyone transfers and plays.
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