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Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:29 pm to arwicklu
Saban does not give a crap about the players he will just tell them to leave.This will catch up to him one day.To think he has the nerve to tell his players to be loyal.Parents will learn this and hopefully tell him what he is.[piece of crap]
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:35 pm to DBG
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both are equal in shittiness
So you don't LSU revokes scholarships or push players out?
Please tell me you're not that naive.
RP got booted for being an arse. Jarvis Jones got booted for "unspecified team rules."
Ricky Dixon and Andrew Hatch got pushed out because they weren't in the plans.
There are plenty of examples for many teams.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:37 pm to arwicklu
perrilloux, jones, ect. were released for disciplinary reasons
going back to harvard to continue his studies was BY FAR the correct choice for hatch
and dixon and ernest mccoy transferred...pretty low amount of attrition in my eyes
going back to harvard to continue his studies was BY FAR the correct choice for hatch
and dixon and ernest mccoy transferred...pretty low amount of attrition in my eyes
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:38 pm to DBG
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perrilloux, jones, ect. were released for disciplinary reasons
going back to harvard to continue his studies was BY FAR the correct choice for hatch
and dixon and ernest mccoy transferred...pretty low amount of attrition in my eyes
So it's not shitty when you're team does it. Fair enough!
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:40 pm to arwicklu
ok, way to make your own conclusions
youre probably right though...we got rid of our starting QB to make room for incoming recruits
youre probably right though...we got rid of our starting QB to make room for incoming recruits
This post was edited on 2/4/09 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:43 pm to DBG
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ok, way to make your own conclusions
My true thought is that every school does it. It's actually fair if the coach is honest and tells the kid that they're probably not going to see the field. You only have 4 years to play and you'll probably never get to play another down. The kids should at least know if the coaches don't see them as part of the plan. This is going to happen a lot when you take over another coaches recruits that has a very different style and some of the players just don't fit in the system.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:48 pm to Ltowntigers
Earlier I thought the poster was full of shite or who cares, or why cry over split milk when they sign so many recuits... Then after further review and reading through post it hit me ya Saban is useing this as a ploy to bolster his recruitment status.
LSU fans, when they point this out comes off as whining or complaining.
Alabama fans comes back well LSU signed 23-25 today so whats the difference. LSU did sign their allotment but our 23-25 is now or will be grade ready come fall.
The purpose for this signing so many is so Coach Saban can say I have sign the best class of recuits and use this throught media outlets or in students- ath. homes however long he can.... point being he's just playing the game and will as long as he can.
One point that I thought of and wish I had the sound bite from when he was introduced as Bama's coach he said "It's a number game at this point, We just don't have the numbers" This now sense why he has so many.
LSU fans, when they point this out comes off as whining or complaining.
Alabama fans comes back well LSU signed 23-25 today so whats the difference. LSU did sign their allotment but our 23-25 is now or will be grade ready come fall.
The purpose for this signing so many is so Coach Saban can say I have sign the best class of recuits and use this throught media outlets or in students- ath. homes however long he can.... point being he's just playing the game and will as long as he can.
One point that I thought of and wish I had the sound bite from when he was introduced as Bama's coach he said "It's a number game at this point, We just don't have the numbers" This now sense why he has so many.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:53 pm to arwicklu
So what? Saban is a great recruiter as is Miles. Looks like recruiting a great class last year worked for the Tide didn't it?
Get past it. We have a nice class and so do they. Let's hope that between Bama and LSU both teams vie for the SEC West and win the SECCG. Do that and you have a chance to play for the BCS Championship.
Personally, I need to change my sig quote because since Saban has arrived, Bama is back on the map. Let's not forget that Saban put LSU back on the map. Miles is doing a superb job recruiting wise.
The SEC as a whole is doing a great job recruiting wise. Isn't it great to be a part of a conference that other conferences look up to? Without competition from the other SEC schools, we wouldn't have the fantastic games that we see each week. I'm okay with that. Are you?
Get past it. We have a nice class and so do they. Let's hope that between Bama and LSU both teams vie for the SEC West and win the SECCG. Do that and you have a chance to play for the BCS Championship.
Personally, I need to change my sig quote because since Saban has arrived, Bama is back on the map. Let's not forget that Saban put LSU back on the map. Miles is doing a superb job recruiting wise.
The SEC as a whole is doing a great job recruiting wise. Isn't it great to be a part of a conference that other conferences look up to? Without competition from the other SEC schools, we wouldn't have the fantastic games that we see each week. I'm okay with that. Are you?
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:57 pm to JIMBLAST
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So what? Saban is a great recruiter as is Miles. Looks like recruiting a great class last year worked for the Tide didn't it?
Get past it. We have a nice class and so do they. Let's hope that between Bama and LSU both teams vie for the SEC West and win the SECCG. Do that and you have a chance to play for the BCS Championship.
Personally, I need to change my sig quote because since Saban has arrived, Bama is back on the map. Let's not forget that Saban put LSU back on the map. Miles is doing a superb job recruiting wise.
The SEC as a whole is doing a great job recruiting wise. Isn't it great to be a part of a conference that other conferences look up to? Without competition from the other SEC schools, we wouldn't have the fantastic games that we see each week. I'm okay with that. Are you?
I totally agree. Also in all the fighting people are ignoring that fairly loaded Georgia and Florida teams had amazing average star rankings. Florida has the highest star average on Rivals.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 10:59 pm to UnoMe
this is exactly the point i was making...he is oversigning like crazy and then weeding out if you do the numbers this works better in the long run but it should be illegal!!!!
Posted on 2/4/09 at 11:12 pm to emry123
It may work for Bama and Saban for a while, but when some highly respected kids that had great careers at Podunk High School gets shite-canned by Saban for no other reason than, "sorry kid, your style of play doesn't fit my current philosophy and I need my own boys in here that do." then eventually, that's going to work in LSU and Tennessee and Georgia and Auburn's favor when the high school coaches are asked by the parent's for their advice and the coaches say, "Saban can't be trusted to take care of your boy. If you have other offers, you should consider them first."
Posted on 2/4/09 at 11:13 pm to emry123
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I totally agree. Also in all the fighting people are ignoring that fairly loaded Georgia and Florida teams had amazing average star rankings. Florida has the highest star average on Rivals.
No shite! We're quibbling over Bama while Meyer is beating the SECW at UF. Lucky for you guys you don't have to play them every year. We do. Granted Bama is in our division but if anyone hasn't noticed, there were a few other SECW teams that had nice recruiting classes this year.
Bama is not LSU's biggest rival and certainly LSU isn't Bama's biggest rival. Yes, it's a big game year in and year out. Yes, chances are it will be between Bama and LSU to win the SEC west if LSU doesn't doesn't drop the games we should never have lost as in the case this year.
If it comes down between LSU and Bama for the SECW title, I'm okay with that. So long as we're in that race when we play the Tide.
Posted on 2/4/09 at 11:42 pm to bamalee
Nice spin job Gump!
everybody knows its strictly about making sure Bama has Rivals #1 class b/c the exposure is beneficial for future recruiting.....bottom line!
Saban focuses on 15-20 top recruits based on necessity and could easily call it a day. But Saban proceeds to oversign the class with a bunch of players that are 1 of 2 things
1.Must be at least a 4 or 5 star prospect (per Rivals)that is too stupid to EVER qualify (i.e. Eddie Lacy)
or
2.Must be at least a 4 or 5 star prospect (per Rivals)that is too stupid to qualify for that class, and must go the JUCO route to gain eligibility for the following year.
Its a loop hole that Saban abuses the shite out of even though its not fair to a lot of these kids and there families. Saban doesn't give two shits though b/c the publicity is all part of his recruiting plan. The reason he's able to do this is b/c Rivals doesn't adjust their rankings after NSD...knowing damn well that alot recruits are not gonna qualify to their school when its all said and done. The gump faithful are just to stupid to realize their precious #1 recruiting class is fabricated for national signing day recognition. Its still a great class for Bama no doubt, but to say its better than LSU and USC is laughable.
ESPN got it right
1.LSU
2.USC
5.Bama
Its more accurate simply b/c ESPN's panel of experts realizes that LSU hand selected all 25 of their recruits to maximize the quality and eligibility.
everybody knows its strictly about making sure Bama has Rivals #1 class b/c the exposure is beneficial for future recruiting.....bottom line!
Saban focuses on 15-20 top recruits based on necessity and could easily call it a day. But Saban proceeds to oversign the class with a bunch of players that are 1 of 2 things
1.Must be at least a 4 or 5 star prospect (per Rivals)that is too stupid to EVER qualify (i.e. Eddie Lacy)
or
2.Must be at least a 4 or 5 star prospect (per Rivals)that is too stupid to qualify for that class, and must go the JUCO route to gain eligibility for the following year.
Its a loop hole that Saban abuses the shite out of even though its not fair to a lot of these kids and there families. Saban doesn't give two shits though b/c the publicity is all part of his recruiting plan. The reason he's able to do this is b/c Rivals doesn't adjust their rankings after NSD...knowing damn well that alot recruits are not gonna qualify to their school when its all said and done. The gump faithful are just to stupid to realize their precious #1 recruiting class is fabricated for national signing day recognition. Its still a great class for Bama no doubt, but to say its better than LSU and USC is laughable.
ESPN got it right
1.LSU
2.USC
5.Bama
Its more accurate simply b/c ESPN's panel of experts realizes that LSU hand selected all 25 of their recruits to maximize the quality and eligibility.
This post was edited on 2/4/09 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 2/5/09 at 12:23 am to arwicklu
Give me a break with the excuse making. Especially the "rebuilding after taking over a program" nonsense. Saban managed to go 12-0 with Shula's players (+ a few of his own). Given the arrest record, it's safe to assume that most of the bad apples have been purged as well. And I didn't see anyone limping off the Sugar Bowl field with "career ending" injuries.
He's doing what everybody is accusing him of doing - oversigning kids to inflate the rankings and hype for his mouth-breathing fanbase and local media, and then pushing good, hardworking kids out the door to make room for the next future superstars. And many of those will become the next victims of all this.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Here is an analogy to what he is doing - I know some accountants and they have told of firms who cut corners and get swamped around tax season. So they hire guys under the impression that it is a permanent job and then lay them off when tax season is over. So some guy out of college or whatever takes a job and relocates and all that and then pushed out the door when he is no longer needed.
That's wrong. Of course as long as Saban is winning, he could molest a three year old girl on the quad in broad daylight and Bama fans would defend him.
The sad thing is other schools are going to start doing this more and more to keep up with the evil midget. I really hate that. I'm starting to dislike SEC football, with the exception of Vandy, who goes out of their way to do things the honorable way, even to the extent of abolishing the athletic department.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:03 am to AUFANATL
Hell aubie, tubbervillev was famous for it when took over for terry bowden. The deal is we many red srs and greyshirt srs have been for five and six years and not played a down they have there degree and move on. I really dont see the problem. Shula signed many a greyshirt man, you boys just dont know. JMO
Posted on 2/5/09 at 1:25 am to Proejo
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It may work for Bama and Saban for a while, but when some highly respected kids that had great careers at Podunk High School gets shite-canned by Saban for no other reason than, "sorry kid, your style of play doesn't fit my current philosophy and I need my own boys in here that do." then eventually, that's going to work in LSU and Tennessee and Georgia and Auburn's favor when the high school coaches are asked by the parent's for their advice and the coaches say, "Saban can't be trusted to take care of your boy. If you have other offers, you should consider them first."
If the rumors are true about Benton getting his offer pulled... how is that better? Offering a kid a scholarship and pulling it back the last day... people were all over Spurrier on this site for pulling a scholly from a kid last month. Everyone is so blinded by Saban rage they cant see that every school does similar stuff. LSU has had transfers. LSU has revoked schollys. LSU may have pulled a spot from a kid from Bastrop thats been trying to get in purple and gold for years. Every school does it.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:04 am to arwicklu
Every SEC school oversigns. We are at 26 right now and Bama is at 27. That is typical. Either all of the players won't qualify or a couple will be asked to "greyshirt." Both Saban and Miles have put together stellar classes and they are to be commended.
The schollys are only year to year. If you don't get in and compete you have to know that your scholly may be pulled. Kids that transfer to smaller colleges may have been told your scholly will not be renewed.
Would you keep a non-productive employee for years if you could get another top notch employee to come to your company?
The schollys are only year to year. If you don't get in and compete you have to know that your scholly may be pulled. Kids that transfer to smaller colleges may have been told your scholly will not be renewed.
Would you keep a non-productive employee for years if you could get another top notch employee to come to your company?
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 2:07 am
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:23 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Every SEC school oversigns. We are at 26 right now and Bama is at 27. That is typical
Bama has EIGHT scholarships open.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:26 am to ByteMe
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Bama has EIGHT scholarships open.
11 with 9 seniors leaving and 2 NFL early goers...
Saban is also planning on rescinding 3 scholarships he gave out to special teamers last year because he had the room. They had 2 early enrolles from previous classes though. So they have 12 available scholarships to give to the 27 incoming players. Not a lot better, but a little closer...
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 2:28 am
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