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re: About kids going to dumpster fire schools: GWIII
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:51 am to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:51 am to Meauxjeaux
I said you'd get drafted if your good enough. My post was about support and how high you'd get drafted.
I firmly believe that ego and freak might not even get first round if they didn't play together and were the only big time DL that opposing OLs had to worry about.
I firmly believe that ego and freak might not even get first round if they didn't play together and were the only big time DL that opposing OLs had to worry about.
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:51 am to The Real Keyser Soze
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You think early playing time and national exposure are completely irrelevant to these kids? Ok, respectfully disagree.
No. The thread is that you can get national exposure and early playing time at 50 schools... not just 2 or 3.
To be more specific about GWIII, you think Florida is not gonna get national exposure?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:52 am to Meauxjeaux
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Had Webster, Peterson, Claiborne and Mathieu (amoung others) gone to Kentucky, there'd be UK DBU signs all over the country.
Peterson goes top 5-6 no matter he goes to school. Like Willis he was an elite recruit with natural ability. Webster IIRC was a RB that LSU moved to DB. Claiborne was an athlete that I've heard could have also been a good WR, those guys were lesser recruits so development helped those guys but that could have happened at other schools of course, even losing teams or non BCS teams. Mathieu was also a freak athlete, but "too small". He explodes where ever he goes because he's just one of those guys that has "it". Playing for big time team certainly helped his exposure, but pro scouts would have found him anywhere.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:57 am to bwallcubfan
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Idiots like you are why this board sucks.
And people like you also.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:59 am to RBWilliams8
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I firmly believe that ego and freak might not even get first round if they didn't play together and were the only big time DL that opposing OLs had to worry about.
While I agree with that, I also still think that Freak or Ego could have gone to say, Purdue, and been more dominant against lesser competition and still end up 3rd and 2nd round, which is where they are projected right now.
In fact, coming to LSU might have hurt their draft prospects. (by not going against Big 10/ACC/Pac12 competition)
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:07 am to Meauxjeaux
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And Reid wouldn't have gone as high without those guys. You can't isolate 1 DB. You can't isolate 3.
sure he would have, in his case the guy that drafted him, recruited him out of HS. But again we can find examples of guys being drafted from lesser teams, plus he was a S, plenty of ops for him to shine regardless.
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I will say that DB is the other position outside of QB that a college coaching staff can make a difference with.
The thing with QB's though, there are QB "guru"s that kids can work with outside of school coaching if they have that natural talent.
If you are a pocket passer, you don't want to play for a RO type team. That's why Mallet transferred from Michigan after Rich Rod was hired. Clearly he does go there and Rich Rod doesn't even recruit him. So i think that sorts itself out.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:12 am to Meauxjeaux
The only response to this thread is that most kids don't like to lose. At Florida, he will LOSE and most kids commit to a coaching staff even though they say commit to a school.
Even though there maybe some truth to your post, the fact that GWIII committed to Florida still makes no sense. SUre he will play early and he will get noticed at Florida, but next year he will be playing for a different coaching staff and there's no telling who it could be.
There are some things you can't teach, but to be a dominate NfL player, you have to learn technique. There's plenty of room for improvement for all high school athletes. To say that a kid is nfl ready now (which I know you didn't) would be a mistake
Even though there maybe some truth to your post, the fact that GWIII committed to Florida still makes no sense. SUre he will play early and he will get noticed at Florida, but next year he will be playing for a different coaching staff and there's no telling who it could be.
There are some things you can't teach, but to be a dominate NfL player, you have to learn technique. There's plenty of room for improvement for all high school athletes. To say that a kid is nfl ready now (which I know you didn't) would be a mistake
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:14 am to H-Town Tiger
This thread is stupid. The better the school and coaching, the better the chance of getting drafted or going higher in the draft. There is a reason LSU has ~40 players in the NFL right now and USL doesn't.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:17 am to Meauxjeaux
Shut up
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:17 am to Meauxjeaux
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In fact, coming to LSU might have hurt their draft prospects. (by not going against Big 10/ACC/Pac12 competition)
This is completely wrong. Did those guys dominate against TCU or Iowa (i know Ego did play against Iowa). The SEC is the best conference, but the differences are marginal, Its not like they are D3 players.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:18 am to RoaringTiger33
Kids don't want to win championships anymore? I guess that's yesterdays trend.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:29 am to RoaringTiger33
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There is a reason LSU has ~40 players in the NFL right now and USL doesn't.
That's because LSU is a bigger program with better resources that will get more good players. Its not because the guys at USL can't coach. But thanks for proving my point about people confusing the different elements of coaching.
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Kids don't want to win championships anymore? I guess that's yesterdays trend.
Of course they want to win. They also think where ever they go they will win. Just because Fla was bad this year and WM is on the hot seat doesn't mean they will for sure lose for the next 3-4 years. Auburn was 3-9 last year. Mizzo was 5-7. Things can change over night.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:30 am to Meauxjeaux
well, you are completely discounting the fact that some kids are not good enough to get offers from tip programs. But they mature a year late, work hard, and become unlockable because of the determination to get better. Say what you want, many of these 5 stars think they have made it and "deserve" to play and never put out the effort to improve. so they get passed over in the draft by the 3 star who busted his arse for 4 years to get better.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:31 am to TigerB8
Lol @ people acting like Florida is gonna suck forever. Auburn just went from SEC dumpster fire to playing in the National Championship in one season. Not saying Florida is gonna be all world next year, but they play in a state where they can lock down a lot of talent very quickly and turn their situation around.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:33 am to Meauxjeaux
Another willis thread 
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:48 am to LSU4lyfe
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There are some things you can't teach, but to be a dominate NfL player, you have to learn technique. There's plenty of room for improvement for all high school athletes
That's true, but there are plenty of good coaches out there that can teach that stuff. Just because a team loses or its smaller school doesn't mean the coaches there can't teach technique and different schemes.
That Florida may have a coaching change next year doesn't mean their current coaches suck at teaching technique. Defense wasn't their problem anyway. And if they do fire the staff, they won't bring in slappys off the street.
Because a guy has the natural talent doesn't mean he can just show up on game day, he has to work hard.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:52 am to GeeOH
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well, you are completely discounting the fact that some kids are not good enough to get offers from tip programs. But they mature a year late, work hard, and become unlockable because of the determination to get better
no one is discounting that at all. Clearly that happens a lot. The point is just because Cent Mich is in the MAC and goes 7-5 doesn't mean their coaches can't teach and develope.
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Say what you want, many of these 5 stars think they have made it and "deserve" to play and never put out the effort to improve. so they get passed over in the draft by the 3 star who busted his arse for 4 years to get better.
Also true, no one is saying a kid can just show up. You have to work hard. Its just that guys like Crob and Willis have a leg up because of their natural ability.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Of course they want to win. They also think where ever they go they will win. Just because Fla was bad this year and WM is on the hot seat doesn't mean they will for sure lose for the next 3-4 years. Auburn was 3-9 last year. Mizzo was 5-7. Things can change over night.
If Will gets that craptastic offense turned around in a year or two, i will be impressed. It hasn't been worth a damn since he's been there.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:14 pm to Meauxjeaux
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98% of the kids in the NFL are BORN that way, not MADE that way.
Could not disagree more.
Football is an intense sport that requires a great deal of body enhancement to get to the NFL.
100% of NFL football players went through a college system through which they built their bodies for the NFL with intense training regime.
In short, Ball State would severly hinder Willis' chances at the NFL.
Oh yeh, and please stfu
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:17 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:bullshite. You pick out one guy from Ball fricking State to try to make a point and forget that LSU has 50 some odd players in the NFL right now. There is no comparison. There is no way all 50 of those guys go to the NFL if they play for a 'dumpster fire' school. #1 they would not have gotten the exposure, and #2, they would not have recived better coaching.
98% of the kids in the NFL are BORN that way, not MADE that way.
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