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Meyer lemon leaf issue

Posted on 4/13/19 at 8:43 am
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 8:43 am
A few leaves have done this this past week. Any cause for concern, or do I need to fertilize with anything in particular? (it gets a 19-10-5 citrus fertilizer)


The tree is otherwise thriving. Littered with fruit and new growth. Preciate any guidance gents
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 9:07 am to
I think its magnesium deficiency.

quote:

Yellow leaves with dark green veins on older leaves indicates magnesium deficiency, and is corrected using Epsom salts (Magnesium sulphate).
Yellow leaves with dark green veins on young leaves indicates iron deficiency, and is corrected using Iron Chelate.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 9:26 am to
May not be an issue if only a few leaves. Perhaps this link will help identifying the potential problem, if it is a nutrient deficiency. Looks from the photo like the Meyer lemon is in a container. Container grown citrus does require a bit more attention to detail in fertilization than in-ground citrus. I also grow Meyer lemon and key lime in containers. Often yellow leaf with green veins is an indicator of a micronutrient deficiency, such as iron or magnesium. Use Epsom salt for magnesium deficiency, Iron Sulfate for iron deficiency. Apply as a solution, not dry.

Nutrient Deficiencies in Citrus
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 9:50 am
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 9:34 am to
Preciate it fellas. Based on the internet rabbit hole this has led me down, it sounds like a ph meter would be a good idea. I’m seeing alot of mixed reviews on the various options. Any recommendation on a good, accurate one?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 10:37 am to
pH meter - that is good question, and as a person that comes a science background, with a reasonable amount experience in soil and water chemistry, I’ve looked into this on occasion and I’ve not been able to convince myself there are any good, reliable accurate cheap meters/probes you can stick into your garden bed that will give you consistent, reliable pH readings. I wish someone could convince me otherwise.

If I had to do it myself, I’d likely purchase a simple soil pH chemical test kit from a company like LaMotte. These kits are sufficiently accurate to make management decisions.

LINK

If you only have few samples it’s best to pay the AgCenter $10 per sample to have the soil analyzed. At least you know your results will be accurate and you will (should) be provided recommendations with the test results on how to amend the soil for the plant(s) you are growing - if any amendments are required.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 10:38 am to
Depends on what you're looking for. Is it just to test the soil in the pot or do you want to be able to test the yard as well?
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 11:00 am to
Just the pot
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 12:11 pm to
It appears you are using an appropriate potting mix for your container citrus b/c I can see the perlite granules in the photo. I would suspect your soil pH is more than likely satisfactory. Potting mix is fine for growing citrus. Don’t try to overthink the pH.

There is a Horticultural professional in SC called the “Citrus Guy” who grows 50+ varieties of citrus in containers. Written a short easy to read book on the subject - you can buy it on Amazon if you are interested. Has a chapter on fertilization of container citrus.

The Citrus Guy

He uses CitrusTone organic fertilizer (follow label on the bag) supplemented with liquid fertilizer (think Miracle Gro) at 2 week intervals (follow the label instruction).

The 19-5-10 you are using is likely more than adequate for in ground citrus - but likely is a slow release formulation. Consider supplementing your citrus container every couple weeks with a liquid Miracle-Gro type fertilizer. I think all these have micronutrients like iron and magnesium, but you can check the label. I suspect doing that take care of your issue - but give it time to work, at least a month or so.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 9:54 am
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 12:30 pm to
Go with what the above poster said then. Its cheaper and like he said you will know its done right. The probe types you see online really are not a good way to test soil. You can buy the kits you send off to get tested but it will be more expensive and probably have to wait longer.

How often do you fertilize? When I had mine in a pot, i set recurring notifications on my phone calendar to go off every valentine's day, memorial day, and labor day so I knew when to fertilize. It did very well but eventually out grew the pot. When I transplanted into the ground a month or 2 ago it was just about nothing but roots in the pot.
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 2:53 pm to
Some great info, thanks abunch. Just ordered that book as well. I have only had these for a year now (1 meyer lemon, 1 key lime). Both have tripled in size since I bought and potted them, but this is the first that they are bearing fruit (had some flowers blossom last year but didn’t amount to anything). Trying to do my due diligence to make this a good first harvest, preciate all the imput.
This post was edited on 4/13/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Captain Ray
Member since Nov 2016
1589 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 3:46 pm to
Just curious but where ya at? When it comes to winters lemon trees and lime trees are the first to get cold damage orange aint much further behind. The heartiest is the satsuma and then the grapefruit. Our meyer lemon tree has been a huge producer. We call it the lemon monster but last hard winter we almost lost it it froze all but the main trunk and a few branches.
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 3:52 pm to
Monroe, but I have em in half whiskey barrels on wheels. If it gets too cold I can wheel em in the carport.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 4:22 pm to
Baton Rouge. In the past 2 years, I've planted couple satsumas and 1 kumquat in the ground b/c of their cold tolerance. February 2018, I planted 2 Improved Meyer Lemons and 1 Key Lime (gift from daughter) in 15 gal black poly nursery containers (18 in dia, 14 height) b/c of their cold sensitivity and I can move to the garage during severe cold if necessary.

15 gal poly nursery container is a good size container b/c you can drag them around pretty easy without putting them on a caster with wheels, but I'll likely do that eventually. The container citrus are doing really well - I'm pleased with them and they are aesthetic plants on the patio. The Improved Meyer Lemon, which does have pretty good cold tolerance, but certainly not in the mid-teens as occured in Baton Rouge in Jan 2018, can always be planted it the ground at a later date if I choose to do so.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/13/19 at 4:57 pm to
Glad to share what info and limited knowledge I could as I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I also planted 2 Improved Lemons and 1 Key Lime in containers last February. One of the lemons probably produced 30 or 40 this past winter, and the other about a dozen. I had remove 2/3 of the crop while green on the more productive tree, because tree could not support the weight of the lemons and started breaking a few of the branches. So be prepared to support your limbs on the lemon later this fall/winter or remove some before they turn yellow if you need to. And by the way, the green lemons were large enough to juice, so we did so and froze the juice in ice trays.

If your trees have tripled in size since you have planted them you are clearly doing it right. Currently I'm following the Citrus Guys fertilization scheme, using the Citrus Tone (smells horrible) every 6 weeks + liquid fertilizer twice a month. I'm using Jacks Classic Citrus Fed 20-10-20 (water soluble with micronutrients) as the liquid fertilizer - ordered off of Amazon. 1 small (1.5 lb) container should last you a year if you are interested in trying it. Not saying its any better than Miracle Gro or Vigro at Home Depot, but it is supposedly formulated for container citrus, so why not. When I use the Citrus Tone up, I'll likely switch to slow release granular fertilizer formulated for use on citrus (as you are doing) and maintain the use of liquid fertilizer.

Lastly, as stated by another poster, citrus can outgrow their containers, so the recommendation is to remove the plant from the container after about 3 years if it is root bound, prune the roots by removing 25% to 1/3 of the outer roots and bottom ("root pruning"), and put it back into the container filling the voids with new potting soil. Common practice with most long lived container shrubs/trees. I think the Citrus Guy covers that in his book, but other sources on-line describe the process as well.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 9:58 am
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