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re: Interpreting Soil sample results

Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:12 am to
Posted by CrawDude
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Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:12 am to
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Craw, help me out since you are more familiar with it. Since testing for N is a moot point does LSU test for it or are the recommendations on their soil sample results simply based on grass type? I met with Dr Ron several times but for the 4 years I worked at Scott’s in BR we never once discussed their soil sample results.

ronk that is correct, the LSU AgCenter does not test for N in a routine soil analysis test, though it can be requested for an added fee. Yes - nitrogen fertilization recommendations, amount and frequency, for the 4 warm season grasses are based on field trials not only at LSU, but other land grant universities in the Deep South with similar soil and climatic conditions.

Nitrogen is such a soluble, reactive compound, with rapid uptake by plants, volatilization, leaching from the soil, etc - there is not good correlation between soil concentration of N with the annual Nitrogen requirements of the warm season grasses as to their optimal nitrogen requirements - hence the reason for not including it in a routine soil analysis. It honestly causes more confusion to most in trying to interpret the results as opposed to clarification.

Now concentration of N in foliage samples is routinely used for for N fertilization recommendations in fruit, nut and vegetable crops if a deficiency is suspected - that information is more meaningful and better correlated with crop performance.

Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:27 am to
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So I rounded up 50# of Sulfur and some Fert this weekend, after seeding this past Friday. Looking for some advice on timing of the Sulfur/Fertilizer application. Is it OK to apply these around the same time/same day? OK to apply the Sulfur after recently seeding? Thanks again guys -

I like this publication on adjusting soil pH in landscapes published by Miss State - it’s the advice I follow. LINK. Follow the recommendation taking care not to exceed the max amount of elemental sulfur (S) per application as stated in the publication.

My recommendation is to separate your activity of acidifying the lawn with sulfur as a separate activity from lawn fertilization - they are related but separate.

Acidifying the soil with sulfur to decrease soil pH is a long, slow process taking months to years (I won’t provide the chemistry behind it, just take my word) whereas lawn fertilization with N-P-K provides a “rapid” boost to the nutrient needs of a lawn in active growth.

But to answer your specific question you can apply them the same day if you want - or not - the timing of the fertilizer application is more critical than that of sulfur.

ETA: I missed the part where you said you just seeded - grass seed? If so, you may want to wait several weeks before you apply any fertilizer or sulfur - the nitrogen may burn the seedling plants.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 4:03 pm to
Thanks Craw!

LSU AG sent me a document recommending 8.4#/1,000sq/ft of Sulphur. The 50# bag should be just about right to cover my 6K sq ft.

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ETA: I missed the part where you said you just seeded - grass seed? If so, you may want to wait several weeks before you apply any fertilizer or sulfur - the nitrogen may burn the seedling plants.


Yes, I have recently overseeded. I know I probably waited too late in the season as I will be pressed to get the fert down in time now, I think.

So you're saying to wait until I see the seeds start to grow, before applying fert.? Hopefully the temps don't get too high before then.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5826 posts
Posted on 4/25/23 at 6:14 pm to
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So you're saying to wait until I see the seeds start to grow, before applying fert.? Hopefully the temps don't get too high before then.

I should have asked - what did you overseed with? Centipede, Bermudagrass, something else?

Yes the rapid release N in the lawn fertilizer (some % is rapid release to give the grass a quick boost, other % is slower release to provide nutrients over a few months) could burn/damage/kill tender grass seedlings. If you seeded a slow germinating grass seed like centipede you can probably fertilize now; a more rapidly germinating seed like Bermudagrass I’d be cautious. Maybe ronk can weigh in with advice.

I would not be concerned with fertilization in the heat of summer, it’s not harmful and would not be too late. A great deal of lawn fertilization occurs in summer. Now herbicides you need to use some caution in extreme heat.
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8556 posts
Posted on 4/25/23 at 6:59 pm to
Centipede Grass.

Oh OK cool, this information helps a ton.

Thanks again, man!
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