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Bosch inverter heat pump question.

Posted on 1/12/22 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1993 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 1:24 pm
For anyone familiar with the newer inverter outdoor units. I'm looking at swapping my 22 year old Ruud split heat pump out for a dual fuel Bosch system at the house and have a question about the locked rotor compressor amps. The product info shows the 5 ton unit drawing around 58 amps locked rotor and then full load of 29. Is that the across the line of the compressor startup amps- not taking into consideration the inverter? I was expecting quite a bit lower startup amps.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 2:51 pm to
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Is that the across the line of the compressor startup amps- not taking into consideration the inverter? I was expecting quite a bit lower startup amps.

I’ve read up on Bosch Inverter units, interested in the system myself, and I’ve read some pretty good things about them. A few negatives, but then all brands/models have negatives.

I’m kind of not understanding your question though in regards to “not taking into consideration of the inverter”. Is your concern being able to run the unit on a generator you already own during power outages?

Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1993 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 3:05 pm to
Yes, but not this one, I'm building out a barndominium at the farm that will get a 3 ton, and I was hoping locked rotor on that one would be below 20 amps. On my job end of things, we routinely deal with variable drives on 3phase motors that have their stated locked rotor on the nameplate of the motor, but when you run them off the drive, LRA is much lower. I'm admittedly not up to speed on these DC inverter units.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:02 pm to
Understood. Though you are correct that the stated LRA for the Bosch 2.0 5 ton inverter unit is 52 amps and the RLA 29 amps in their product literature I found these 2 comments from Bosch IDS 2.0 inverter owners from 2 different websites and these quotes are verbatim.

“ I recently installed a Bosch 2.0 (seer 20) inverter Heat pump with variable speed compressor and it has absolutely no surge at all starts off at less than 2 amps and ramps up slowly from there the indoor and outdoor fans likewise (both have ecm motors) . it also has good low temp performance.”

“ I have oversized a generator for this house to handle the hard start of the A/C compressor of over 80 amp inrush. With a ramped inverter, and using a Fluke Clamp-on Ammeter, the starting current for this Bosch system begins at 3 amps and builds slowly to about 12 amps nominal load. THERE IS NO INRUSH WITH AN INVERTER. It is an extremely soft start.”.

So these comments by these 2 persons are in line with your personal experience with 3 phase variable speed drive motors. And it has been my understanding perusing HVAC websites that variable speed inverter driven HVACs have low start up amps and ramp up from there. Not being an engineer I can’t square that the higher LRA they state in their product literature.

Why don’t you try to contact with Bosch technical support LINK and I bet you can can get the correct skinny.

Maybe even a HVAC Supply distributor that sells the Bosch IDS units to HVAC installers can provide you with the details you need. About 6 months ago I was in a HVAC Wholesale Distributor to buy some duct mastic and they had operating Bosch IDS 2.0 5 ton heat pump inside the lobby for demonstration purposes. Amazing how quiet those units are when running. The guy behind the counter was very familiar with it and I bet he spent 1/2 hour with me explaining the merits and functional operation of the unit but we didn’t discuss inrush start up amp draw.

This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 12:03 am
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1993 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:38 pm to
Lol, I talked to my local distributor's tech guy today and you just gave me more information with those two quotes than he was able to. I'm definitely getting the equipment for the Casa, but will want to check a few things before committing them to the barndo.... Thank you for the info.

Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1993 posts
Posted on 3/17/22 at 12:23 pm to
Installed the new system over the weekend. Initial startup has fan running @ 1 amp, then after a delay the compressor winds up and I was reading about 2 amps at the whip connections.(fan included) Pretty happy with the readings and how quiet it is.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 3/17/22 at 1:43 pm to
I’ve watched a few YT videos where HVAC techs have installed them in their personal houses. At at least 1 tech on the HVAC talk forum that has installed them for sometime has stated he and customers have been happy with their performance and reliability to date.

They are, as I understand a good bit, cheaper than domestic inverter HVAC systems. A negative for some is that they are manufactured/assembled in China although I think the Mitsubishi inverter compressors are manufactured in a different southeast Asian country - I forget which one.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1993 posts
Posted on 3/17/22 at 2:38 pm to
Yeah the mitsu compressor broke my resistance to trying Bosch. The 96% furnace wasn't any fun putting in, and with the blower removed. Last Feb decided that I'd be going dual fuel when the old Ruud gave out. The local rep said these inverter HP's will get usable heat down to around 14°.. I don't expect that but if even to mid 20's the furnace should rarely get called in.

That reminds me, I've only run the 1" orange and white pads and this was the cleanest inside the unit and duct system change out I think i've ever done. 12 seer Ruud HP was installed 1/2000
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