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Another A/C Question

Posted on 8/27/24 at 7:29 am
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 7:29 am
I get home from work last night and the wife tells me the AC is not working. Stopped about 20min before I got home. I go to check it out and the unit will not come on, the thermostat is blinking "cool on" I turn the system off and wait about an hour and check again, still blinking "cool on". I bypassed the thermostat and jumped it to see if it would cut on and it did, so I thought I may have a bad thermostat. Replaced thermostat and after setting it up everything cut on and works great.... for about 30min, then same issue arose.
What should I be cheking for on this?
Posted by lighter345
Member since Jan 2009
11892 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 7:37 am to
Maybe your drain pan switch is flipping it off to avoid an overflow
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 7:50 am to
Check the primary condensate drain to see if it’s partially clogged - draining slowly. If you have the furnace-air handler in the attic that has a secondary overflow plan check it for water.

A slow draining condensate drain line would exhibit the symptoms you are describing - system shuts down and restarts after an hour or so, rinse & repeat. I’ve always been able to clean my condensate line out by adding bleach to the condensate drain line. You might need compressed air or vacuum. How you approach it depends on how your system is set up. LINK
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 7:51 am to
I checked this, not the case, though.
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
969 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:09 am to
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I bypassed the thermostat and jumped it to see if it would cut on and it did

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works great.... for about 30min, then same issue arose

This leads me to also believe a float switch is tripping it out as others have mentioned. It seems you checked what I am assuming is the secondary pan but did you happen to check and see if the primary condensate drain coming off the evaporator coil has an inline float switch?
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:16 am to
I did not see, but I would be lying if I told you I looked very well.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:20 am to
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I checked this, not the case, though.

I seem to recall a poster not long ago was having a similar issue turned out to be the contactor in the condensing unit. If you’re comfortable with electricity and have a multimeter with a capacitance function you can check the capacitor & contactor in the condensing unit. Have any loud - high pitched squealing from the condensing unit fan motor when it’s running? If so, possible bad bushings in the fan motor. Always check electrical connections for loose or burnt wires.
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:27 am to
No strange noises from the fan. I will check the capacitor this evening
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
969 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:31 am to
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contactor in the condensing unit

Could be, but the inside air handler would still run. My understanding is the air handler is not running.

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I did not see, but I would be lying if I told you I looked very well.

I would take a second look. If there is one in the secondary pan, i dont see why they would put another in the primary drain line coming off the evap coil, but I'm no HVAC tech. While up there, I would also take a look at the control board on the air handler and see if it has any diagnostic codes. Most of the time its a blinking light.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 8:32 am
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
969 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:35 am to
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No strange noises from the fan. I will check the capacitor this evening


So the outside unit runs when the stat is calling for cooling? If it was a float switch, it would also kill the outside condenser. What are you saying is not running?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:38 am to
quote:

check and see if the primary condensate drain coming off the evaporator coil has an inline float switch?

Definitely check this - if you have an in-line condensate drain float switch shutting the system down you would not necessarily have water in the secondary pan. My old unit did not have one, but my newer unit installed last year has a float switch in the condensate line plus a shut-off/break float switch in the secondary overflow pan.
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:46 am to
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So the outside unit runs when the stat is calling for cooling? If it was a float switch, it would also kill the outside condenser. What are you saying is not running?

Nothing is running when the stat is blinking "cool on", when it was working, after the new stat install, there were no strange noises. When the stat is flashing "cool on" nothing comes on
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
969 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:52 am to
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Nothing is running when the stat is blinking "cool on", when it was working, after the new stat install, there were no strange noises. When the stat is flashing "cool on" nothing comes on

Okay, so could be a float switch. As said, I would check again and also see if there are any codes on board. Might also be worth reading the manual for the new stat and see if "cool on" blinking means anything or if its normal. I know on my Sensi stat if the temp is blinking its because its on a 5 mins lockout due to a short cycle.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
19377 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 9:19 am to
Yea if there's nothing in the secondary drip pan (secondary float switch) there could still be a (primary float switch) that is either clogged or stuck etc...
Posted by BeepBopBoop
Northshore
Member since Dec 2023
708 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 9:42 am to
My upstairs Carrier Infinity system has set off an outside temp SENS ERROR code on the thermostat 3 times over the last year, causing the compressor on the outside unit to not kick on, always late in the day, 3 pm or later on really hot days. Fan blows hot air.

Flipped everything on and off, pulled fuse outside, tried resetting a 1000 times and every time, just starts working again after a few hours.

Finally figured out it's the outside temp sensor getting too hot it can't read. Put an ice bag on the outside temp sensor for a few minutes, boom, upstairs thermostat can see the outside unit again and starts working.

Like someone else said also, when mine works the control board on outside unit has green and orange solid lights. When it's not working, only has solid orange light.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 9:44 am
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2598 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 7:47 pm to
So it turned out that it was slow draining clog in the drain pipe. Cleared the pipe out and everything cranked up and has been running fine.
Thanks for all the insight and help.
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
969 posts
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:28 am to
Good to hear!
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