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re: 2019 Garden Thread
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:52 am to PillageUrVillage
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:52 am to PillageUrVillage
This morning I had what looked like hundreds of small whiteish worms in my raised bed. They appeared to only be in the soil and they were moving very slowly. Any idea what this is?
I sprayed a shite ton of Sevin on it just in case. I will try to get a pic later if they’re not all gone or dead.
I sprayed a shite ton of Sevin on it just in case. I will try to get a pic later if they’re not all gone or dead.
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Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:57 am to nismosao
Sounds like fungus gnat larvae. Definitely kill the bastards.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 9:17 am to nismosao
The last two days I've gotten multiple female flowers on my squash and zucchinis. No males to do the deed though 
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Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:14 pm to nismosao
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small whiteish worms
Grubs?
I'm organic so use beneficial nematodes to control them and ants.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:35 pm to Zappas Stache
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Grubs?
Nah, I believe it’s the fungus gnat larvae that pillage said. I didn’t have time to kill them organically as I noticed them as I was about to head to work this morning. Wanted to kill them before they do any or anymore damage.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:41 pm to Zappas Stache
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I'm organic
Talstar is made of molecules and that's organic right?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:44 pm to Centinel
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Talstar is made of molecules and that's organic right?
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I didn’t have time to kill them organically as I noticed them as I was about to head to work this morning.
Hydrogen peroxide kills them on contact.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:46 pm to Zappas Stache
I try to stay as organic as possible. But I’m not willing to lose crops if the organic stuff ain’t working.
ETA: If it were grubs, put them suckers in a can and go fishing. The big bream love them some grubs.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:54 pm to PillageUrVillage
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But I’m not willing to lose crops if the organic stuff ain’t working
This is the position of almost every "organic/natural" farm as well.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:56 pm to pointdog33
Exactly. I just stay away from systemics. Like the herp, you can’t wash that off.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:57 pm to pointdog33
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This is the position of almost every "organic/natural" farm as well.
Link?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:01 pm to Zappas Stache
Those in the industry know.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:05 pm to pointdog33
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Those in the industry know.
So you are in the industry?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:10 pm to Zappas Stache
Yes. Been in it my whole life.
ETA: The tolerance levels allowed in organic farming for non-organic pesticides is often within the limits of what nonorganic produce shows. So essentially an organic farmer could use nonorganics and maintain the status.
ETA: The tolerance levels allowed in organic farming for non-organic pesticides is often within the limits of what nonorganic produce shows. So essentially an organic farmer could use nonorganics and maintain the status.
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There is, however, a rule in the organic certification system that any residue present at 5% or less of the USDA tolerance will be considered “unintentional” and thus not a reason to deny organic certification. 62.1% of the 2015 organic detections met that criterion, but interestingly so do 74.6% of the detections on non-organic samples from the US and 70.1% of the detections from imported, non-organic samples. Not so different.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:13 pm to pointdog33
What farm?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:35 pm to pointdog33
Sounds like one of those manipulative quotes from Genetic Literacy Project where they don't differntiate between specific "pesticides". For example, Diatamaceous Earth is listed as a pesticide which is widely used in organic farming but is much different than glyphosates and glycolates. I've worked on organic farms and managed a small farm for a short time. Pesticide drift is a definite problem and Organic regulations need to be strengthened but I've never seen or heard of an organic farm intentionally using chemicals.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 4:07 pm to Zappas Stache
Originally a forbes article and they name the pesticides.
The bigger take home for me is that the food supply is safe, whether organic or not. If the difference is negligible anyway then why would it matter?
With the widespread use/misuse of homeowner pesticides as well as the local level governments spraying herbicides and pesticides, the drift can't be controlled. That is unless you want to go through the State Departments of Ag to help, which they will then show the applicator certification and tell you that the chemicals were applied correctly.
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chemicals detected on organic samples in the 2015 PDP Acetamiprid, Ametoctradin, Azoxystrobin, Bifenazate, Bifenthrin, Boscalid, Carbendazim (MBC), Chlorantraniliprole, Chlorpropham, Chlorpyrifos, Clothianidin, Clothianidin Other, Cyazofamid, Cyhalothrin, Total (Cyhalothrin-L + R157836 epimer), Cypermethrin, Cyprodinil, DDE p,p', DDT o,p', DDT p,p', Dichlorvos (DDVP), Diflubenzuron, Dimethoate, Dimethomorph, Dinotefuran, Diphenylamine (DPA), Ethoxyquin, Etoxazole, Famoxadone, Fenamidone, Fenbuconazole, Fenpropathrin, Flonicamid, Fludioxonil, Fluopicolide, Fluopyram, Imidacloprid, Iprodione, Linuron, Mandipropamid, Methomyl, Methoxyfenozide, Myclobutanil, Novaluron, O-Phenylphenol, Omethoate, Oxamyl, Oxamyl oxime, Pendimethalin, Permethrin cis, Permethrin trans, Piperonyl butoxide, Propamocarb hydrochloride, Pyraclostrobin, Pyrimethanil, Pyriproxyfen, Quinoxyfen, Spinetoram, Spinosad, Spinosad A, Spinosad D, Spirotetramat, Sulfoxaflor, Tebuconazole, Tebufenpyrad, Thiabendazole, Thiacloprid, Thiamethoxam, Triflumizole
The bigger take home for me is that the food supply is safe, whether organic or not. If the difference is negligible anyway then why would it matter?
With the widespread use/misuse of homeowner pesticides as well as the local level governments spraying herbicides and pesticides, the drift can't be controlled. That is unless you want to go through the State Departments of Ag to help, which they will then show the applicator certification and tell you that the chemicals were applied correctly.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 4:36 pm to PillageUrVillage
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I try to stay as organic as possible. But I’m not willing to lose crops if the organic stuff ain’t working.
Same.
Organic purists are about like vegans and crossfitters.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:08 pm to pointdog33
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Originally a forbes article
How long before they have to retract this article too? They seem to have a penchant for publishing articles ghost written by the Ag/ Chemical Industry. quote:
With the widespread use/misuse of homeowner pesticides as well as the local level governments spraying herbicides and pesticides, the drift can't be controlled.
We can agree on this statement. Hopefully glyphosate will soon be banned, at least at the homeowner/consumer level. Though I'm not hopeful of the EPA doing anything, a couple more judgements against Bayer Monsanto may do it.
But back to home gardening, why you would want to dump chemicals on food you grow yourself that many international governmental regulatory bodies classify as a probable carcinogens is beyond me.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:47 pm to Zappas Stache
We’ll just have a nice home and garden board they said.
It won’t be anything like the OT, they said.
It won’t be anything like the OT, they said.
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