re: If not religious threads maybe a Spirituality Board?

It sounds like you’re quite familiar with him. I’m sorry that you feel the need to call me names, and I’m sorry that you’re looking for significance where it cannot be found.

I’ll leave you with these words from C.S. Lewis:

“If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world.”

Desiringgod

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You are very much exaggerating and misunderstanding the influence of the ideals of the Enlightenment.

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1) I don't think I am exaggerating, and I know I'm not misunderstanding. Ask Thomas Jefferson what influenced him more...I doubt it was the Bible that he literally tore apart. Locke's social contract did more to influence the American Revolution than did Christ's gospel.

2) Speaking of the ideals of the Enlightenment, which can essential be reduced to the word liberty tell me where this idea existed in Western culture hundreds or thousand of years prior to the 18th century. Athens? to a small extent...

3) What about Enlightenment ideology is rooted in Judeo-Christian values? I read a gospel where we're worthy of nothing, and freely given all things. The Enlightenment assumes that we're born with and entitled to certain rights. Those same rights only point inward and create more self awareness and importance, thus diminishing the central theme of Biblical Christianity. We are crucified with Christ, and through Him we live.

The only thing that I originally argued is that our nation was not founded upon religion or Christianity, and I stand by that. If anything, it was founded upon a remnant of Protestant theology from the Reformation, but not to the degree that it was based in a single idea that had never in reality worked before, individual liberty.

Can you imagine this nation with absolutely no Christian influence and no Christians? It would the below third world conditions in less than 6 months.