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Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:57 am
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
2915 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 7:57 am
Any one tried it. I have some lagging tendinitis and was thinking stem cells. I have a friend who goes to TJ and he is a competitive arm wrestle r, said it works. So I was looking for something closer. I searched and didn't see anything. Most ratings seem like advertisements.
Posted by tzalma1
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2011
117 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:29 am to
the founder was just on Rogan recently so if you give that a listen you'll get a little more info on what they are and what they do
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
7307 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Posted by Bricktop
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2004
321 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 4:32 pm to
Great assessment. Technically Brigham was a DME rep, but nevertheless he was exposed to ugly side of medicine. You're right Ways2Well is not the only company out there, full disclosure I own SYNC Life and we do the same thing aside from stem cells. I have owned a compounding pharmacy for 20 years and I can attest to the corruption that is healthcare (sickcare). I would not conflate MD VIP with Wellness Clinics. Not the same tests performed, for example we test genetic biomarkers, cellular nutrition assays, methylation pathways, and hormones (T4 included) as a baseline. The reimbursement structures built steer physicians to prescribe and treat in accordance with what reimburses.
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1010 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 5:26 pm to
This type of place is driven by a motive of profit only, nothing else. Similar to Rejuvime or Sync in BR. If they happen to help someone that is a fortunate side effect.

Expensive supplements and expansive lab panels are to make money. No significant benefit.

Regarding stem cells:
quote:

Most people rave about the efficacy of stem cells in areas where western medicine routinely provides less than optimal outcomes


This is something that is very easily testable. Why isn’t there good evidence from randomized control trials showing a major benefit? One reason is these people aren’t interested in doing them.

I’m not doubting that people get better after treatment, but the major confounding variable is time. They would have gotten better anyway.

The truth is that a better path to optimal health is cheap but not easy:
1. Be extremely fit
2. Be muscular
3. Be strong
4. Don’t be fat
5. Sleep well
6. Be social
7. Manage stress/avoid depression
8. Make sure basic health parameters parameters are in range

This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 6:00 pm
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
2915 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:13 pm to
I have a friend that received stem cells by an Ortho in Lafayette. He was lucky his insurance paid some and he has seen really good results with his shoulder. My insurance won't cover, so I have anecdotal evidence it's works by two people. I was looking for an option closer to home. I know it works. I was looking for options.
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1010 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:07 pm to
You believe it based on 2 anecdotes, you don’t know it. There is no good evidence supporting it, anecdotes are essentially worthless scientifically. But it’s your money
Posted by Bricktop
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2004
321 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:41 pm to
You are thoroughly wrong about driven by profits, we are driven by outcomes.

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Expensive supplements and expansive lab panels are to make money. No significant benefit.

This is such an ignorant statement.

Come by SYNC and I will sit you down with one of our Practitioners for free. My dime. There are studies on stem cells, they are just not done by big pharma.

I agree on all 8 of your truths but sometimes our environment is not conducive to optimal health. Most people on this planet are dehydrated and nutrient deficient. Come by SYNC and tell them Max sent you.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
7307 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:19 am to
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Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1010 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:28 am to
Show me the evidence for improved outcomes in humans from double blinded randomized placebo controlled trials.

I believe your thought process for offering an alternative service/treatment goes something like this:

1. Is it plausible? There is likely a biologic mechanism through which a treatment would be beneficial. For stem cells, it's the idea that your body regenerates tissue from the stem cells.
2. Is it popular?
3. Is it profitable?
4. Is it not harmful?

This is not good enough. Mechanistic data is not good evidence of anything, it's only at starting point. It almost always leads nowhere once put to the test in trials. High quality outcome data is all that matters, which is lacking in alternative medicine.

But please show me the outcome data you use to justify your treatments. Surely you know it well right?

You believe you are not doing harm with this thinking, yet I believe it is harmful through it's cost to patients and, more insidiously, by eroding trust in medicine.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
25899 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

u believe you are not doing harm with this thinking, yet I believe it is harmful through it's cost to patients and, more insidiously, by eroding trust in medicine.


If Covid taught me one thing, it’s not to trust Big Pharma. Profits before all. If this guy’s patients are gaining function, who gives a frick. Modern medicine is great at treating the symptoms but never the cause.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
7307 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 1:11 pm to
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Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1010 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:11 pm to
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Covid


Certainly not medicine's finest hour to be sure. But I think it's more of the exception rather than the rule. The Covid pandemic made science very difficult to conduct because of the time crunch and therefore many of the policies weren't based in science but rather opinion and politics. Not the case with biologic injections for tenditis/arthritis like the thread started about.
Posted by Tigerzfan76
Ragley
Member since May 2013
77 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 5:48 pm to
I had 3 tears in my rotator cuff and a torn labrum 5 years ago. I opted to try prp injections instead of surgery. I was completely pain free within 2 months and haven’t had any issues since. My wife has an appointment on Monday in Houston to get prf injections for some back issues. I’m a firm believer in this treatment!
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