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re: Thoughts on traditional body part split?

Posted on 7/28/19 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 1:46 pm to
tl;dr - don't be a lazy arse, read the post

There is no silver bullet magic super secret routine or program that will get you jacked, stacked, and leading the pack. People have gotten great results on fullbody training, P90X, Tactical Barbell, 5/3/1, Greyskull, Starting Strength, bro splits, PPL, PHUL, PHAT. And people have gotten shitty results on all those programs. Consistency trumps routine, exercise selection, program tweaking...all that shite. Pick up heavy things, put them back down ad inifinitum and eat like a god damn adult and you'll be more than pleased with what you see in the weightroom and in the mirror. Getting good at something or being successful involves doing a lot of really repetitive, boring shite over and over and over again. Showing up every day consistently for a year, 5 years, 10 years, 50 years and giving your all to whatever task is at hand will yield good results and improvement.

Nerds ruin fricking everything. Meathead football players (stereotyping) have been getting jacked for literally decades. Floyd Mayweather cannot read and he has a physique I'm sure most of us would kill for. If all those dumb guys who can't even turn on a computer can figure it out, so can you (we). They didn't have spreadsheets and 1RM calculators, they didn't know what RPE meant, or DOMS, or worry about "frying muh CNS", they didn't use macro calculators and fancy apps and whatever the frick else. They went to the gym, lifted weights, then went home and ate real food. Then they came back the next day or a couple of days later and lifted a little more than they did previously.

People are approaching this HOBBY (and that's what it is for the vast majority of us) like it's a fricking video game. Trying to min/max their stats to get a little extra volume or frequency and alternating tricep kickbacks with rope pressdowns on the 3rd Thursday of every month only when there's a full moon but NEVER during a leap year or pouring over the latest and greatest ebook and slurping up whatever blog post/Youtube video Mark Rippetoe or Martin Berkhan or Eric Helms or AthleanX decides to puke up on the internet that day. 90% of lifting/diet is all the same, people are arguing til they're blue in the face over the tiniest little minutia of this whole thing. Everything works, people are arguing over OPTIMAL. Think about buying a new car, they're all going to get you from your house to the grocery store. Every single one. Some may do it a little faster or a little more fuel efficiently, but the result will almost certainly be the same.

Nobody on the internet has a crystal ball. Nobody can tell you what would happen if you used a 5/3/1 progression for the bench press on Candito's Linear Program and then swapped to 5x5 for your squat on Thursdays. If something excites you, go do it. You're not going to lose significant progress just because you decide to play with a Kinobody program for a couple of months. You don't need any approval or permission from anyone to try something. Your body is one big fricking science experiment. Plug in different variables, move things around and see what works FOR YOU. Does eating Greek yogurt and squatting light 3x10 MWF make your quads explode? KEEP DOING THAT shite EVEN IF JASON BLAHA SAYS IT'S BAD! Quit living life on the internet, quit looking for the secret formula that's going to give your upper pecs a couple of extra millimeters over then next 6 months and get your arse to the gym and lift something.

You want to make progress? Here's what you can do for yourself starting today:

1) Put some pieces of paper in a hat with all the different programs/training splits you can think of and draw one out of a hat. That's it, that's the program you've got until July 28th, 2020.

2) Go to the gym and do whatever the program says (provided you have a fully outfitted gym with the necessary equipment obviously). Don't over think it, "golly geez Dr. Israetel said my biceps should be getting 20 sets MEV for optimal growth and this program only has 19!"

3) Go home and eat the way your mom told you to. Meat and vegetables and shite.

4) Instead of sitting on the couch and logging onto 4chan /fit/, or r/Fitness, or bodybuilding.com...sleep, read a book, spend time with your family/friends, pursue a hobby.

5) Repeat the above for an entire year and during that time, avoid looking at yourself in the mirror. When July 28th, 2020 comes around, then you can look at your body. Do you think you'll have made progress in the arenas of strength or body composition if you followed the above advice for one entire calendar year? I'd put my fricking life savings on it.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 7/28/19 at 4:40 pm to
quote:


There is no silver bullet magic super secret routine or program that will get you jacked, stacked, and leading the pack. People have gotten great results on fullbody training, P90X, Tactical Barbell, 5/3/1, Greyskull, Starting Strength, bro splits, PPL, PHUL, PHAT. And people have gotten shitty results on all those programs. Consistency trumps routine, exercise selection, program tweaking...all that shite. Pick up heavy things, put them back down ad inifinitum and eat like a god damn adult and you'll be more than pleased with what you see in the weightroom and in the mirror. Getting good at something or being successful involves doing a lot of really repetitive, boring shite over and over and over again. Showing up every day consistently for a year, 5 years, 10 years, 50 years and giving your all to whatever task is at hand will yield good results and improvement.

Nerds ruin fricking everything. Meathead football players (stereotyping) have been getting jacked for literally decades. Floyd Mayweather cannot read and he has a physique I'm sure most of us would kill for. If all those dumb guys who can't even turn on a computer can figure it out, so can you (we). They didn't have spreadsheets and 1RM calculators, they didn't know what RPE meant, or DOMS, or worry about "frying muh CNS", they didn't use macro calculators and fancy apps and whatever the frick else. They went to the gym, lifted weights, then went home and ate real food. Then they came back the next day or a couple of days later and lifted a little more than they did previously.

People are approaching this HOBBY (and that's what it is for the vast majority of us) like it's a fricking video game. Trying to min/max their stats to get a little extra volume or frequency and alternating tricep kickbacks with rope pressdowns on the 3rd Thursday of every month only when there's a full moon but NEVER during a leap year or pouring over the latest and greatest ebook and slurping up whatever blog post/Youtube video Mark Rippetoe or Martin Berkhan or Eric Helms or AthleanX decides to puke up on the internet that day. 90% of lifting/diet is all the same, people are arguing til they're blue in the face over the tiniest little minutia of this whole thing. Everything works, people are arguing over OPTIMAL. Think about buying a new car, they're all going to get you from your house to the grocery store. Every single one. Some may do it a little faster or a little more fuel efficiently, but the result will almost certainly be the same.

Nobody on the internet has a crystal ball. Nobody can tell you what would happen if you used a 5/3/1 progression for the bench press on Candito's Linear Program and then swapped to 5x5 for your squat on Thursdays. If something excites you, go do it. You're not going to lose significant progress just because you decide to play with a Kinobody program for a couple of months. You don't need any approval or permission from anyone to try something. Your body is one big fricking science experiment. Plug in different variables, move things around and see what works FOR YOU. Does eating Greek yogurt and squatting light 3x10 MWF make your quads explode? KEEP DOING THAT shite EVEN IF JASON BLAHA SAYS IT'S BAD! Quit living life on the internet, quit looking for the secret formula that's going to give your upper pecs a couple of extra millimeters over then next 6 months and get your arse to the gym and lift something.

You want to make progress? Here's what you can do for yourself starting today:

1) Put some pieces of paper in a hat with all the different programs/training splits you can think of and draw one out of a hat. That's it, that's the program you've got until July 28th, 2020.

2) Go to the gym and do whatever the program says (provided you have a fully outfitted gym with the necessary equipment obviously). Don't over think it, "golly geez Dr. Israetel said my biceps should be getting 20 sets MEV for optimal growth and this program only has 19!"

3) Go home and eat the way your mom told you to. Meat and vegetables and shite.

4) Instead of sitting on the couch and logging onto 4chan /fit/, or r/Fitness, or bodybuilding.com...sleep, read a book, spend time with your family/friends, pursue a hobby.

5) Repeat the above for an entire year and during that time, avoid looking at yourself in the mirror. When July 28th, 2020 comes around, then you can look at your body. Do you think you'll have made progress in the arenas of strength or body composition if you followed the above advice for one entire calendar year? I'd put my fricking life savings on it.




God damn,I couldn't have said it better. Shots really good damn simple, lift heavier weight over time, eat like an adult for your goals.
Posted by AtticusOSullivan
Member since Mar 2016
2685 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 7:25 am to
May be a dumb question but when doing splits as OP referred should you only do ab crunches on ab day or is this something you can do say daily to get more benefit?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:17 am to
Really? Really!!?? Do you really think it matters? Pick an abdominal exercise and get better at it. Doesn't matter how you program it, just get better.
Posted by AtticusOSullivan
Member since Mar 2016
2685 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:47 am to
Thanks for the input. You seem helpful.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34991 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:39 am to
I wasn't trying to be a dick but you are majoring in the minors. Stop worrying about stuff like that, pick a program from a well respected coach that offers progressive overload and run that program until you make it your bitch.

Doing abs daily or 1 once weekly is not going to make one damn bit of difference on if you have a 6 pack or not.

Just hit your macros, lift heavy shite, bust your arse during conditioning and let everything else fall where it may.
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