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re: Please let me know your thoughts on these Test numbers - UPDATED Pg 2
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:24 pm to Joe D Grinder
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:24 pm to Joe D Grinder
So...your doc should have explained this stuff to you much better. If you were struggling with T before TRT, you are definitely gonna struggle now that youve quit. From my understanding TRT is meant to be a long term thing. Thats why ive never been a fan. The balding absolutely is a side effect that can happen and you should have been warned about that. Its my opinion that the body can buffer the effects of T(DHT) much better when it is producing it. Exogenous T will always result in side effects that must be managed.
Youve probably got a long tough road if you want to get your T back up naturally. Its something you are gonna have to strongly contemplate.
In general the musts for T are lifting heavy, eating high fat, low sugar, getting enough rest and sleep. You also need to cut out phytoestrogens from your lifestyle. The jury is out on whether these things affect everyone or even have a big effect, but IMO they are best avoided. Avoid drinking out of plastic water bottles or storing hot food in plastic containers. Avoid the common phytoestrogens in grooming products and soaps/shampoos(just look them up). Cut out alcohol, especially beer.
Avoid stress and physical activity that causes chronic, low grade stress like jogging. Walk and lift.
Youve probably got a long tough road if you want to get your T back up naturally. Its something you are gonna have to strongly contemplate.
In general the musts for T are lifting heavy, eating high fat, low sugar, getting enough rest and sleep. You also need to cut out phytoestrogens from your lifestyle. The jury is out on whether these things affect everyone or even have a big effect, but IMO they are best avoided. Avoid drinking out of plastic water bottles or storing hot food in plastic containers. Avoid the common phytoestrogens in grooming products and soaps/shampoos(just look them up). Cut out alcohol, especially beer.
Avoid stress and physical activity that causes chronic, low grade stress like jogging. Walk and lift.
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:32 pm to scottydoesntknow
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So...your doc should have explained this stuff to you much better. If you were struggling with T before TRT, you are definitely gonna struggle now that youve quit
normally yes but he has recovered quite nicely
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From my understanding TRT is meant to be a long term thing. Thats why ive never been a fan.
correct and why would you not be a fan if you already do not produce much T?
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The balding absolutely is a side effect that can happen and you should have been warned about that. Its my opinion that the body can buffer the effects of T(DHT) much better when it is producing it
if you are predisposed....and your body does not buffer the effects of dht any different from when you are producing vs exogenous T. the difference is the overall levells
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Exogenous T will always result in side effects that must be managed.
again its bioidentical and it doesnt really cause any side effects you wouldnt get with natural levels at that range.
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Youve probably got a long tough road if you want to get your T back up naturally. Its something you are gonna have to strongly contemplate.
he already did
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In general the musts for T are lifting heavy, eating high fat, low sugar, getting enough rest and sleep. You also need to cut out phytoestrogens from your lifestyle. The jury is out on whether these things affect everyone or even have a big effect, but IMO they are best avoided.
correct
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Avoid drinking out of plastic water bottles or storing hot food in plastic containers. Avoid the common phytoestrogens in grooming products and soaps/shampoos(just look them up).
majoring in the minors
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Cut out alcohol, especially beer.
correct
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Avoid stress and physical activity that causes chronic, low grade stress like jogging. Walk and lift.
correct
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:55 pm to lsu777
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This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 2:11 am to lsu777
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you sound lazy...stop being fricking lazy
yes and no. I definitely have moments of laziness like most people. I'm working out 3-4x/week and trying to do my best. I work 6 days a week and about 60 hours. quote:
get your diet in order, your hormones do not override thermodynamics. need to be getting 175-200g protein daily.
Diet is my biggest issue always has. I had been skinny for so long and then the 30s came and I developed a belly as I wasn't working out then. Sweets were always consumed in my family. I rarely eat them now and I try to stay away from sugar as much as possible. Trying to get me and my wife more healthy.
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would prolly still get on boron at 15mg/day and maybe sustain alpha but that is just trying to optimize.
I just received a 240 count of Nutricost 5mg so I'll start taking 3x. Better at night or day? I'll check into the Sustain Alpha.
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here...feel good and look good with less hair and be in better health or keep your hair
I'm stopping the Fin and will try Boron and we'll see what happens. As you said, my numbers weren't too bad after stopping trt naturally. I'm about to be 50 and would rather feel better but I still like my hair. The thinning was drastically quick when I was on trt.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 2:22 am to lsu777
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2)cholesterol- lower the dose of the statin if having memory problems, cut to 20mg
Yeah, I reached out to pcp last week and he recommended going to 20mg, so I'm gonna try that.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 2:30 am to SundayFunday
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Am doctor. Just skimmed these but congrats on the lipid improvements! (Low LDL, high HDL, low triglycerides).
Thanks. I'm just a little uneasy now about the statin. I was taking 10mg simvastatin for years without issue and then my numbers got up there and pcp went right to 40mg. I have to admit I sometimes question if all these pills do is lower a number for a test, but I remind myself how many people take them. The memory thing is scary and I really hope cutting to 20mg improves it and that's all it was. I'd hate to be having issues at this age from actual brain issues.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:19 am to Joe D Grinder
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I work 6 days a week and about 60 hours.
umm stop this shite, get a better job. being serious...shite will kill you faster than anything else
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:46 am to lsu777
Haha I'm retiring in 6 months. I think I'm ok.
ETA: day or night for Boron?
ETA: day or night for Boron?
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:25 pm to Joe D Grinder
morning so it doesnt effect sleep
Posted on 8/2/24 at 10:51 am to lsu777
Where and how and at what cost are you guys getting regular blood tests?
Posted on 8/2/24 at 10:57 am to Earnest_P
i just get my done through my doctor 2-4x per year. i have crazy good insurance so my cost wouldnt be the same as others
Posted on 8/2/24 at 2:12 pm to Earnest_P
Labcorp thru my Provider
TRT Lab Panel for Men - Labcorp - $257
IGF-1 - Labcorp - $36
T3, Free T3 - Labcorp - $30
T4, Free, Direct Free T4 - Labcorp - $30
Reverse T3, Serum - Labcorp - $83
GGT (Gamma-Glutamyl Transferase - Labcorp) - $18
Comp. Metabolic Panel - Labcorp - $20
Lipid Panel with Total:HDL Ratio - Labcorp $20
Every 6 Months.
TRT Lab Panel for Men - Labcorp - $257
IGF-1 - Labcorp - $36
T3, Free T3 - Labcorp - $30
T4, Free, Direct Free T4 - Labcorp - $30
Reverse T3, Serum - Labcorp - $83
GGT (Gamma-Glutamyl Transferase - Labcorp) - $18
Comp. Metabolic Panel - Labcorp - $20
Lipid Panel with Total:HDL Ratio - Labcorp $20
Every 6 Months.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 5:11 pm to Earnest_P
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Where and how and at what cost are you guys getting regular blood tests?
You can use Private MD labs and order whatever labs you want yourself.
When I've used them before, I'd typically pay anywhere from
$125-$200 and get Lipid panel, PSA, Test, Estrogen, CMP, and a CBC done. Can go to quest or labcorp to have them draw.
Now I've found a Nurse Prac that does health and wellness. Its like $50 a month and you can see her as much as you want. You also have to pay for labs if you want any drawn.
I go every 3 months. She checks hormones, vitamin levels, a1c, CBC, CMP, and lipids. Usually runs me round $200-$300. Just wanted another health care professional monitoring my lab work and offering opinions besides myself
Posted on 11/3/24 at 4:32 pm to Joe D Grinder
Total Test back down a bit and I started taking 15mg Boron Aug 1, so nearly 11 weeks and Free is lower for some reason:
Next post will have all the other labs I had them do. Just wanted this one separate on it's own and see what people think.
Next post will have all the other labs I had them do. Just wanted this one separate on it's own and see what people think.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:16 pm to Joe D Grinder
You'll see some Sept 24th labs because I had a fricking kidney stone that night, so those results are non-fasting and me on lots of dope
Vitamin D:
A1C:
TSH:
FSH:
Creatine:
Electrolytes:
Total Bilirubin:
Creatinine:
Alkaline:
AST:
ALT:
PSA:
Cholesterol (taking a 20mg pill instead of 40mg since last labs):
Prolactin:
Luteinizing:
To strech this post even longer, I did a CT Scan and will post the CBC results:
CBC:
Vitamin D:
A1C:
TSH:
FSH:
Creatine:
Electrolytes:
Total Bilirubin:
Creatinine:
Alkaline:
AST:
ALT:
PSA:
Cholesterol (taking a 20mg pill instead of 40mg since last labs):
Prolactin:
Luteinizing:
To strech this post even longer, I did a CT Scan and will post the CBC results:
CBC:
Posted on 11/4/24 at 7:38 am to Joe D Grinder
Good job on taking charge of your health. I'm on a similar path and started comprehensive blood work recently. No symptoms, just to improve wellness. Not going to hijack your thread, but following with interest. I've been in this rabbit hole of supplements for a long time. Recent lab work caused me to make a few tweaks for slightly high cholesterol and low omega-3. Actually had high vit D, so I cut back on D3 supplementation to once per week. Good luck to you.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 12:43 am to G Vice
Agreed.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:55 am to SimonSlick
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Honestly, I'd stop finasteride and start Boron. Fin was problematic for me with side effects.
What particular side effects with finasteride? Curious as my urologists just started me on dutasteride and stopped the finasteride. Curious if anyone knows the difference in performance or side affects??
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